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Apple Shares Down 4.1% On The Day And 10% Off April 10 Intraday High


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 09:56 AM

The descent, which accelerated on Monday, has sparked a broader debate about whether Apple is at the beginning of what could be an even larger decline.

Probably, but I see it as a much more gradual decline, taking many years.

Unless they have a new Steve Jobs hatching in some cloning facility, Apple is now being led by the same kind of people as every other large electronics company.

Their post-Jobs momentum will keep them going for a long time, but bigger iPhones and faster iPad processors will just match what the competition is doing.

Do they have someone there with both game-changing new ideas and the single-minded drive to bring them to market? Probably not.

Just being Apple won't be enough, just as it wasn't in 1985-1997 under John Sculley, Michael Spindler and Gil Amelio

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:10 AM

Probably, but I see it as a much more gradual decline, taking many years.

Unless they have a new Steve Jobs hatching in some cloning facility, Apple is now being led by the same kind of people as every other large electronics company.

Their post-Jobs momentum will keep them going for a long time, but bigger iPhones and faster iPad processors will just match what the competition is doing.

Do they have someone there with both game-changing new ideas and the single-minded drive to bring them to market? Probably not.

Just being Apple won't be enough, just as it wasn't in 1985-1997 under John Sculley, Michael Spindler and Gil Amelio



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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:11 AM

Wow this is an amazing surprise! :rolleyes:

Look - everyone on this thread has their surprised face on. :D

(Although I would have thought they could keep the bubble going until the iPhone 5, at least).

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:14 AM

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:15 AM

Profit taking. Even I was tempted.

I reckon they plan products at least a few years into the future so Jobs' demise might not affect AAPL for a while if ever. Then again, what do I know except that people love their products when exposed to them.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:18 AM

Probably, but I see it as a much more gradual decline, taking many years.

Unless they have a new Steve Jobs hatching in some cloning facility, Apple is now being led by the same kind of people as every other large electronics company.

Their post-Jobs momentum will keep them going for a long time, but bigger iPhones and faster iPad processors will just match what the competition is doing.

Do they have someone there with both game-changing new ideas and the single-minded drive to bring them to market? Probably not.

Just being Apple won't be enough, just as it wasn't in 1985-1997 under John Sculley, Michael Spindler and Gil Amelio



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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:25 AM

The smartphone market is fascinating isn't it... well, it is if yo uare a geek, love Trek and The Big Bang theory....

Despite the enormous sales by Apple the use of smartphones in the US is still incredibly tiny - the vast majority still use what are called feature phones. The growth potential for smart phones is amazing.

But the US market is not the main place that people are chasing sales - the rest of the world is the prize where most people do not have a mobile let alone a smartphone.

Alas, those selling smartphones seem to think that everyone is going to own a phone in the nextc 10 to 20 years - they may be right.

But some need to stop and think how people in China are going to afford 500 t0 600 US dollars on an iphone? Let alone those in the rest of Asia, India, etc. Also, news is apparently common now in China of the alleged working conditions in factories making the iphone - will Chinese people buy a phone from such a company.

Numerous Chinese firms are making good low cost feature phones which is biting into Nokia's dominance of the feature phone market... but the prize is still smartphones.

I almost bought a big load of Apple shares in March 2009 after looking at a friend's iphone 1. I didn't as, at the time, it looked like another Apple dead-end where Apple developed a technology that may or may not have disappeared within a year or so. Boy, that was a mistake.

Is the issue now facing Apple that they have sold their iphones to all those who can afford them?
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:39 AM

Just being Apple won't be enough, just as it wasn't in 1985-1997 under John Sculley, Michael Spindler and Gil Amelio


thats a very good point, how long can Apple trade just on their name?

People are beginning to get wise to the fact that their products, all be it look nice and have great advertising, are just over priced versions of whats already on the market.

Android has a larger market share for Mobile Phone OS that all of the others including iOS. their tablets are becomming more popular and are ALOT cheaper. personally i cant see the iPod or any Generic MP3 player being around for much longer, Mobile phones have been more than compotent for may years to play MP3's and other file formats in very high quality, also giving you the change to hear your phone ring when listening to music on the go. as well as having only 1 product to charge, carry with you, load info on etc.

i'm not calling for the death of Apple, but i think they hay days are over, and they will stil lbe a respected technology inovator, but not to the tune of what they became last year. their company will follow what Nintendo, and possibly Sega have already been through

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:43 AM

Is the issue now facing Apple that they have sold their iphones to all those who can afford them?


That and the fact that the improvements they are making are incremental, not the revolutionary jumps from the original iPhone (no 3G) to the 3G version to the improved display on the 4, etc. How much can you improve the pixel density of a 4 x 2 inch screen before nobody notices the difference...?

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:50 AM

The other thing to bear in mind is that allegedly about 200 to 250 hedge funds have been the main buyers of the shares in the past 6 months, driving them up by almost 50%.

There are claims on financial sites that this is a classic pump and dump operation designed to lure in Joe Public retail investors, off-load the stocks to them at silly prices and then short the heck out of the stock.

I read last week that some of the futures options on Apple shares were selling for 700 bucks. iSuckers?
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:52 AM

That and the fact that the improvements they are making are incremental, not the revolutionary jumps from the original iPhone (no 3G) to the 3G version to the improved display on the 4, etc. How much can you improve the pixel density of a 4 x 2 inch screen before nobody notices the difference...?



A diehard iphone owning friend of mine last week moved to a Samsung because the Samsung just was much better looking in the shop.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:52 AM

thats a very good point, how long can Apple trade just on their name?

People are beginning to get wise to the fact that their products, all be it look nice and have great advertising, are just over priced versions of whats already on the market.

Android has a larger market share for Mobile Phone OS that all of the others including iOS. their tablets are becomming more popular and are ALOT cheaper. personally i cant see the iPod or any Generic MP3 player being around for much longer, Mobile phones have been more than compotent for may years to play MP3's and other file formats in very high quality, also giving you the change to hear your phone ring when listening to music on the go. as well as having only 1 product to charge, carry with you, load info on etc.

i'm not calling for the death of Apple, but i think they hay days are over, and they will stil lbe a respected technology inovator, but not to the tune of what they became last year. their company will follow what Nintendo, and possibly Sega have already been through


Really? I'd rather use a standalone mp3 player over using my phone simply because I'd rather not keep charging my phone. I can get 3 or 4 days out of my smart phone with everything turned off, if I listen to music on it I'd have to charge it most days.

The problem for Apple is the cheaper clones, the killer will be when Chinese tech produce cheap and powerful smart phones. Huawei already produce phones at just over the 100 pound mark.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:59 AM

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This phone will work with GSM network 850/900/1800/1900 MHz. (work all over the world) In mobile phones, dual-band and tri-band refer to functionality that allows a cell phone to support either two or three frequency bands out of the four major GSM (TDMA) bands - 850/900/1800/1900 MHz.
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Not sure how good this really is but ultimately this is what the Iphone is going to have to compete against.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:01 AM

Come on, fess up!

Who bought this p.o.s. at $636?? :lol:

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:04 AM

another thread about apple, and another chance for me to say that apple are finished.

android whenever the apple fanbhoys like it or not is taking over. its exactly like the sony plastation taking over from the sega, which is all now taking over by the xbox, and so it continues forever. apples day has come and its gone.


i never understood the fuss about apple anyhow, my samsung galaxy tab is a much better tablet than the ipad. the ipad didint even have a camera ffs. and if i wanted to carry about a thing the size of an ipad id just go back to what i used to do and use a laptop with a dongle.




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