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i've just started renting a new place, but there are no smoke alarms fitted, i thought that it was a legal requirement to have them fitted on rentals.
before i question this wit hthe LA, and i right or wrong?
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 04:15 PM
Unless its an HMO I'm pretty sure they don't have to fit them, if it's an HMO they have to be fitted and hard wired with battery backup.
http://www.landlordz.../FireSafety.pdf
http://www.landlordz...fire_safety.htm
http://www.landlordz.../FireSafety.pdf
http://www.landlordz...fire_safety.htm
This post has been edited by zebbedee: 12 April 2012 - 04:17 PM
As I wandered in the darkness a voice came unto me, it said "smile, be happy, things could get worse". So I smiled and was happy and behold, things did get worse.
"Credit is indeed vital to an economy, but it does not constitute an economy within itself. ... When businesses borrow to fund capital investments, the extra cash flows that result are used to repay the loans. When individuals borrow to spend, loans can only be repaid out of reduced future consumption."-Peter Schiff, Jan 19 2009; <a href="http://www.321gold.com/editorials/schiff/schiff011909.html" My link
"The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it."-Andrew Jackson on the Second Bank of the United States
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."-Margaret Thatcher
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad." - James Madison
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof."
John Kenneth Galbraith
"Credit is indeed vital to an economy, but it does not constitute an economy within itself. ... When businesses borrow to fund capital investments, the extra cash flows that result are used to repay the loans. When individuals borrow to spend, loans can only be repaid out of reduced future consumption."-Peter Schiff, Jan 19 2009; <a href="http://www.321gold.com/editorials/schiff/schiff011909.html" My link
"The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it."-Andrew Jackson on the Second Bank of the United States
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."-Margaret Thatcher
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad." - James Madison
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof."
John Kenneth Galbraith
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 08:04 PM
Monkey, on 12 April 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:
i've just started renting a new place, but there are no smoke alarms fitted, i thought that it was a legal requirement to have them fitted on rentals.
before i question this wit hthe LA, and i right or wrong?
before i question this wit hthe LA, and i right or wrong?
I should keep quiet about it. Smoke alarms are a serious PITA. Mine got triggered by steam from a hot shower when I first moved in ...
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 06:04 AM
porca misèria, on 13 April 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:
I should keep quiet about it. Smoke alarms are a serious PITA. Mine got triggered by steam from a hot shower when I first moved in ...
That's an unusual set of priorities...
To quote Stellios "If you think safety's expensive, try having an accident."
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 11:44 AM
tomandlu, on 20 April 2012 - 06:04 AM, said:
That's an unusual set of priorities...
To quote Stellios "If you think safety's expensive, try having an accident."
To quote Stellios "If you think safety's expensive, try having an accident."
Twaddle. Do you call the police every time you hear a car alarm, or do you just curse idiots who disturb the peace with vehicles that scream every time it rains?
When I hear a fire alarm my reaction is where is it? If my flat then go downstairs to deactivate the wretched thing. If another flat in the same house, let them go and deactivate it. If nearby managed by same agent, well that's most likely the monthly test, and they'll be doing ours next. If further afield, just wait for it to SHUT UP.
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 11:53 AM
No smoke alarms... where do you stand?
Well, outside, I guess.
Well, outside, I guess.
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 12:35 PM
porca misèria, on 20 April 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:
Twaddle. Do you call the police every time you hear a car alarm, or do you just curse idiots who disturb the peace with vehicles that scream every time it rains?
When I hear a fire alarm my reaction is where is it? If my flat then go downstairs to deactivate the wretched thing. If another flat in the same house, let them go and deactivate it. If nearby managed by same agent, well that's most likely the monthly test, and they'll be doing ours next. If further afield, just wait for it to SHUT UP.
When I hear a fire alarm my reaction is where is it? If my flat then go downstairs to deactivate the wretched thing. If another flat in the same house, let them go and deactivate it. If nearby managed by same agent, well that's most likely the monthly test, and they'll be doing ours next. If further afield, just wait for it to SHUT UP.
And the time you lackadaisically go to switch it off and find your kitchen ablaze instead of just sitting waiting until its well underway and you are trapped in the house?
Is there an intellectually challenged smiley.
This post has been edited by zebbedee: 20 April 2012 - 12:36 PM
As I wandered in the darkness a voice came unto me, it said "smile, be happy, things could get worse". So I smiled and was happy and behold, things did get worse.
"Credit is indeed vital to an economy, but it does not constitute an economy within itself. ... When businesses borrow to fund capital investments, the extra cash flows that result are used to repay the loans. When individuals borrow to spend, loans can only be repaid out of reduced future consumption."-Peter Schiff, Jan 19 2009; <a href="http://www.321gold.com/editorials/schiff/schiff011909.html" My link
"The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it."-Andrew Jackson on the Second Bank of the United States
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."-Margaret Thatcher
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad." - James Madison
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof."
John Kenneth Galbraith
"Credit is indeed vital to an economy, but it does not constitute an economy within itself. ... When businesses borrow to fund capital investments, the extra cash flows that result are used to repay the loans. When individuals borrow to spend, loans can only be repaid out of reduced future consumption."-Peter Schiff, Jan 19 2009; <a href="http://www.321gold.com/editorials/schiff/schiff011909.html" My link
"The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it."-Andrew Jackson on the Second Bank of the United States
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."-Margaret Thatcher
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad." - James Madison
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof."
John Kenneth Galbraith
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 01:50 PM
What this thread demonstrates is that the existence of a widespread perception that smoke alarms are the archetypal "boy who cries wolf", and that the number of false alarms they generate outweighs their safety benefits.
Personally, I wish that they'd fit them with a "temporarily deactivate" button, which switches them off for, say, an hour, and then they automatically come back on again. Being able to press the button before you start cooking in the kitchen, for example, rather than faff about removing the battery, would end that false alarm problem while still restoring the protection once the room is unoccupied.
Personally, I wish that they'd fit them with a "temporarily deactivate" button, which switches them off for, say, an hour, and then they automatically come back on again. Being able to press the button before you start cooking in the kitchen, for example, rather than faff about removing the battery, would end that false alarm problem while still restoring the protection once the room is unoccupied.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 10:34 AM
The Ayatollah Buggeri, on 27 April 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:
What this thread demonstrates is that the existence of a widespread perception that smoke alarms are the archetypal "boy who cries wolf", and that the number of false alarms they generate outweighs their safety benefits.
Personally, I wish that they'd fit them with a "temporarily deactivate" button, which switches them off for, say, an hour, and then they automatically come back on again.
Personally, I wish that they'd fit them with a "temporarily deactivate" button, which switches them off for, say, an hour, and then they automatically come back on again.
They do. The fact is you CBA to RTFM.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 11:20 AM
In my last BTL apartment block the damn fire alarm would go off constantly as the "up and coming executives" burned their beans on toast.
Someone would wander down eventually and turn the thing off.
I'm pretty sure it was disabled most of the time.
If you are worried about it just get a cheap smoke alarm from Wilko or Ikea. I carry a carbon monoxide alarm with me, even though my council flat has sensors. But I just didn't trust BTL equipment!
If you have a gas boiler or stove, then carbon monoxide is the silent killer.
If I was a BTL landlord I would ensure at least these were fitted, but given the dodgy shyster nature of the industry I doubt many of them do.
Someone would wander down eventually and turn the thing off.
I'm pretty sure it was disabled most of the time.
If you are worried about it just get a cheap smoke alarm from Wilko or Ikea. I carry a carbon monoxide alarm with me, even though my council flat has sensors. But I just didn't trust BTL equipment!
If you have a gas boiler or stove, then carbon monoxide is the silent killer.
If I was a BTL landlord I would ensure at least these were fitted, but given the dodgy shyster nature of the industry I doubt many of them do.
This post has been edited by "Steed": 28 April 2012 - 11:26 AM
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