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#1 Sour Mash

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:42 AM

If this goes through without a fight, then the sheep deserve to be farmed for all they are worth:

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A new law - which may be announced in the Queen's Speech in May - would not allow GCHQ to access the content of emails, calls or messages without a warrant.


All to 'protect' us of course ... Jeez, how do they think they can get away with pedalling that tired old line any longer?

Don't expect much in the way of public protest of course - most of our braindead sheep will be too busy worrying about which celeb is shagging which other celeb, the plots of their favourite soap operas or the vagaries of 'reality' TV.

Good old 'democracy' means that those of us with half a brain who consider freedom and privacy worth having will lose our liberties along with the idiots who blindly accept this.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:47 AM

https://www.torproje...ad-easy.html.en

But not a lot else VPN, proxy
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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:52 AM

If this goes through without a fight, then the sheep deserve to be farmed for all they are worth:

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All to 'protect' us of course ... Jeez, how do they think they can get away with pedalling that tired old line any longer?

Don't expect much in the way of public protest of course - most of our braindead sheep will be too busy worrying about which celeb is shagging which other celeb, the plots of their favourite soap operas or the vagaries of 'reality' TV.

Good old 'democracy' means that those of us with half a brain who consider freedom and privacy worth having will lose our liberties along with the idiots who blindly accept this.


I would hate to imagine the cost of storing the information they are talking about for years, this would of course be pushed on to the consumer who will effectively be paying higher subscription charges in order to be spied on by the government "for our own safety".

I suspect this won't get very far and become reality, law enforcement and other agencies can pretty much obtain this information already to a certain degree with current legislation already, what is a concern is the pushing of more and more totalitarian controls over the population already heavily monitored as never before by the government and its agencies.

A saying comes to mind " Anyone who gives up their freedom for security , deserve neither freedom or security".
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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:55 AM

https://www.torproject.org/download/download-easy.html.en

But not a lot else VPN, proxy



I'd expect things like VPNs, proxies and SSH tunnels to be legislated against, in due time.

There will always be ways around it for the really determined who are prepared to spend a lot of time and effort (as well as probably committing what will by then be criminal offences) but the reality is that for the average person, privacy will be a thing of the past and being spied upon by the state will be part of life.

Over time it will become accepted that you will be spied upon everywhere, not just on the internet - watch out for snitches in pubs, trains, buses, public areas becoming normal. For our 'protection' of course. Still, just don't say anything against the wishes of your masters and their associates in business and you will be fine.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:56 AM

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Go back to doing things the old fashioned way.
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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:03 AM

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Go back to doing things the old fashioned way.



If people do start to use letters more look for MI5 ordering large numbers of old style kettles and glue sticks B) :D

Edited by madpenguin, 02 April 2012 - 11:03 AM.


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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:09 AM

Yet another insane idea.

Why not just install govt approved thought software which could automatically notify the authorities of any decent.

There isn't the storage capacity to do this, all what everyone has to do is sent a 1mb photo every single day.

It's just nuts.

If fact can't we have govt installed TV so we can just watch approved programmes?

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:18 AM

Yet another insane idea.

Why not just install govt approved thought software which could automatically notify the authorities of any decent.

There isn't the storage capacity to do this, all what everyone has to do is sent a 1mb photo every single day.

It's just nuts.

If fact can't we have govt installed TV so we can just watch approved programmes?


I wouldn't be so sure, in one of the first books on hacking (as in unauthorised access) published in Britain (Hugo Cornwalls The Hackers Handbook) the author details how you can assess the equipment and resources of a target company just by watching the trade press and seeing what your target company has ordered over the last few years, as an example he gave Britain's secret services, from this he deduced they had enough storage for 5 Mb on every man woman and child in the UK, and that was 1985!

5Mb at the time was the size of a lot of business computers heard drives

http://www.amazon.co...33365267&sr=8-2

1Tb these days is about 80 odd quid just from the normal internet suppliers, imagine you have the public purse at your disposal and a direct line to most large IT companies the cost could be way less even for enterprise style storage.

Update: seems my memory is playing tricks on this, seems he said 20 Million records, each containing 150 words, rather than a size, but then again I did read it when it was released (after court action I seem to remember) which was quite a while ago

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:28 AM

I'd expect things like VPNs, proxies and SSH tunnels to be legislated against, in due time.

There will always be ways around it for the really determined who are prepared to spend a lot of time and effort (as well as probably committing what will by then be criminal offences) but the reality is that for the average person, privacy will be a thing of the past and being spied upon by the state will be part of life.

Over time it will become accepted that you will be spied upon everywhere, not just on the internet - watch out for snitches in pubs, trains, buses, public areas becoming normal. For our 'protection' of course. Still, just don't say anything against the wishes of your masters and their associates in business and you will be fine.


HM Government can already demand your encryption keys, to actually intercept stuff without you knowing is also possible with "man in the middle" attacks etc, also with the established security industry in the US and UK you never know whether commercial software has been "got at", yet another argument for using open source :)

Edited by madpenguin, 02 April 2012 - 11:29 AM.


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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:38 AM

Why do they care what anyone thinks anyway? They do what the hell they want, the main political parties are the same, remember the protest at the iraq war, they didn't take a blind bit of notice. The populous are doing nothing worth spying on, apart from a few loonies strapping poorly improvised explosives to themselves once in a while, and are they going to find that needle in the haystack? And what does it matter if the general public work out we're all being farmed and the banks own the governments, what are they going to do about it? Write an email?

And besides, the sheer volume of data they may have access to presents its own problems, they're going to be incompetent at mining it the same as they're incompetent at everything else.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:39 AM

I voted for this on 38degrees, but I suspect that it will be squeezed out by people wanting expensive placebos homoeopathy on the NHS...
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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:49 AM

Well I think that the government can just go fu.....

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:49 AM

Why do they care what anyone thinks anyway? They do what the hell they want, the main political parties are the same, remember the protest at the iraq war, they didn't take a blind bit of notice. The populous are doing nothing worth spying on, apart from a few loonies strapping poorly improvised explosives to themselves once in a while, and are they going to find that needle in the haystack? And what does it matter if the general public work out we're all being farmed and the banks own the governments, what are they going to do about it? Write an email?

And besides, the sheer volume of data they may have access to presents its own problems, they're going to be incompetent at mining it the same as they're incompetent at everything else.


Experience has shown those in Government have more on their minds than just security, statistics issued for public use are already presented in ways the Government wish to portray them, knowing how the man in the street thinks could also be useful, only problem is they tend to pay very poorly in comparison to commercial concerns therefore whether they could get someone to effectively mine the data is questionable.

Edited by madpenguin, 02 April 2012 - 11:50 AM.


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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:50 AM

Why do they care what anyone thinks anyway? They do what the hell they want, the main political parties are the same, remember the protest at the iraq war, they didn't take a blind bit of notice. The populous are doing nothing worth spying on, apart from a few loonies strapping poorly improvised explosives to themselves once in a while, and are they going to find that needle in the haystack? And what does it matter if the general public work out we're all being farmed and the banks own the governments, what are they going to do about it? Write an email?

And besides, the sheer volume of data they may have access to presents its own problems, they're going to be incompetent at mining it the same as they're incompetent at everything else.


Maybe they will watch people who go to certain websites like this one for example. Regularly going to this site might move your name onto some sort of "B list". A list of "Better watch this one as he is statistically more likely to have terrorist type thoughts".

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:52 AM

Maybe they will watch people who go to certain websites like this one for example. Regularly going to this site might move your name onto some sort of "B list". A list of "Better watch this one as he is statistically more likely to have terrorist type thoughts".


Quite so, witness the uses the "Patriots Act" was put to in the US, including use on people protesting environmental and healthcare issues




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