[Zanu Bob]

http://www.dailymail...gs-history.html

'Voters are so disgusted with politics that the three main party leaders are collectively the least popular in the history of polling.

A survey yesterday put the negative ratings of David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband at the lowest cumulative rating, a staggering -121 per cent.

The Prime Minister saw his personal rating – the difference between the number of voters who think he is doing a good job and those who do not – plunge to -27 in the latest YouGov poll.'




so to get us out of this mess we've got.....................oh dear!

for once I think joe public has got it right.

I find them all uninspiring careerist polticians with next to no relevant real world experience.George Osborne as Chancellor is even more laughable.

[pilchardthecat]

This country is in dire need of some conviction politicians

[zebbedee]

pilchardthecat, on 02 April 2012 - 10:24 AM, said:

This country is in dire need of some convicted politicians

Fixed for you

Well it was asking for it

[bmf]

Zanu Bob, on 02 April 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

http://www.dailymail...gs-history.html

'Voters are so disgusted with politics that the three main party leaders are collectively the least popular in the history of polling.

A survey yesterday put the negative ratings of David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband at the lowest cumulative rating, a staggering -121 per cent.

The Prime Minister saw his personal rating – the difference between the number of voters who think he is doing a good job and those who do not – plunge to -27 in the latest YouGov poll.'




so to get us out of this mess we've got.....................oh dear!

for once I think joe public has got it right.

I find them all uninspiring careerist polticians with next to no relevant real world experience.George Osborne as Chancellor is even more laughable.

I think they've got it right but for the wrong reasons.

Politicians have got into power in the UK by promising unsustainable policies. Things have now come to a head as a result of this and politicians who can get into power (3 main parties only right now) are compelled to have realistic policies. Fringe parties who will never get in (take note lib dems) can make absurd promises just like the main parties used to.

The problem is UK citizens want to live beyond their means, lording it over the rest of the world despite being no more intelligent.

The UK will be in for a real shock when they realise that nobody can reboot the unsustainable policies of the last 15 years. The truism that if you have a crap job, crap grades and are lazy then you can't go on holiday twice a year, go down the pub all the time and buy the clothes you like. This reality check will effect everyone from the poor to the "managerial" middle classes.

[Shrink Proof]

pilchardthecat, on 02 April 2012 - 10:24 AM, said:

This country is in dire need of some conviction politicians

Actually this country is in dire need of some politicians' convictions.

['Bart']

Worst politicians ever.

[tinker]

pilchardthecat, on 02 April 2012 - 10:24 AM, said:

This country is in dire need of some conviction politicians

The amended version has been done.

The contempt they have for us is as brazen as it is breathtaking.

Get the impression now that the country is in serious trouble now, with who we have in charge and the underlying problems.

The rise of the career politician has done untold damage to the political, social and economic fabric of this country. It needs a reset and some new rules.

[Executive Sadman]

hah, i'll believe it when i see it. Other than a few plastic Talibanis in bradford, the last thing most people want is actual change. It scares the hell out of them.

[snowflux]

bmf, on 02 April 2012 - 10:34 AM, said:

I think they've got it right but for the wrong reasons.

Politicians have got into power in the UK by promising unsustainable policies. Things have now come to a head as a result of this and politicians who can get into power (3 main parties only right now) are compelled to have realistic policies. Fringe parties who will never get in (take note lib dems) can make absurd promises just like the main parties used to.

The problem is UK citizens want to live beyond their means, lording it over the rest of the world despite being no more intelligent.

The UK will be in for a real shock when they realise that nobody can reboot the unsustainable policies of the last 15 years. The truism that if you have a crap job, crap grades and are lazy then you can't go on holiday twice a year, go down the pub all the time and buy the clothes you like. This reality check will effect everyone from the poor to the "managerial" middle classes.

Yes, I'd agree with that. FWIW, I don't think politicians are generally any more corrupt than they always have been, but increased exposure by the media combined with the impossibility of the current situation (resulting largely from the policies of former politicians) means that they're not going to be awfully popular whatever they do. Unfortunately, these circumstances provide a fertile ground for "conviction politicians" who are as likely to lead us to disaster as utopia. On the whole, I would prefer a boring, honest and pragmatic leader to a populist rabble-rouser.

[Secure Tenant]

The country is in dire need for some convincing politicians as the puppet act is wearing a bit thin.

This post has been edited by "Steed": 02 April 2012 - 12:08 PM

[fluffy666]

snowflux, on 02 April 2012 - 12:08 PM, said:

Yes, I'd agree with that. FWIW, I don't think politicians are generally any more corrupt than they always have been, but increased exposure by the media combined with the impossibility of the current situation (resulting largely from the policies of former politicians) means that they're not going to be awfully popular whatever they do. Unfortunately, these circumstances provide a fertile ground for "conviction politicians" who are as likely to lead us to disaster as utopia. On the whole, I would prefer a boring, honest and pragmatic leader to a populist rabble-rouser.

To be honest, it seems like there is a 'Westminster village' mold for all of our current politicians, which straight jackets the policies allowed:

- Income tax rises are not allowed (The reaction to the 50p rate as being the Worst Thing Ever is the exception that proves the rule).
- Privatisation is always best, even for loss-making natural monopolies that need subsidies forever.
- Uncontrolled immigration is desirable, anyone saying otherwise is either racist or anti-business.
- Council/state built housing is undesirable.
- High house prices are A Good Thing. So are low wages.
- On no account should the financial sector be restricted in any way.

And so on (feel free to add your own). You may agree with some of the above, but the thing is that as far as I can tell, no mainstream party is disagreeing with any of the above.

[We’re all in this together]

Who would YOU choose to lead us?

I'll stick me neck out to start the ball rolling, and say, er, just a sec, no wait, there must be someone, hang on a minute I'll get back to you...

[winkie]

We’re all in this together, on 02 April 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

Who would YOU choose to lead us?

I'll stick me neck out to start the ball rolling, and say, er, just a sec, no wait, there must be someone, hang on a minute I'll get back to you...

There is nothing available at the moment that is worth voting for.....

[Bramblepicker]

The problem is, in order to get this country back on a sustainable track, lots of people (mainly boomers) will have to take some pain - there's no way a politician who is properly honest about this will be voted in. Unfortunately this may only happen if the younger generation end up feeling even more desperate, thus forcing the issue.

It's going to be an interesting 5-10 years to come.

I agree that none of the political parties speak to me on any relevant level - quite depressing that I'm unlikely to vote next election...

[Sour Mash]

Bramblepicker, on 02 April 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

The problem is, in order to get this country back on a sustainable track, lots of people (mainly boomers) will have to take some pain - there's no way a politician who is properly honest about this will be voted in. Unfortunately this may only happen if the younger generation end up feeling even more desperate, thus forcing the issue.

Just about everyone - except of course the elite - is going to have to accept a lower standard of living as they move into the next generation.

The pensioners currently enjoying generous pensions and a good standard of living in their retirement will be the last of their kind.
The middle aged people with a nice (paid for) house, a couple of decent cars and plenty of disposable income will be the last to have this.
The 20- and 30-somethings with all the latest gadgets, flash car, designer clothes, couple of foreign holidays a year and ridiculous non-job will be not be followed by another generation enjoying that easy ride.
The kids being brought up with just about every 'toy' and convenience they want are the last ones who are going to experience such an easy childhood.


There's a massive readjustment coming, people don't seem to get that this isn't just another recession. Our life of living high on the hog by a mix of putting it all on credit and screwing over the rest of the World has hit the buffers; It will take out out major global conflict to try to maintain anything like it as the pool of available resources shrinks and other more, resilient economies start to bloom.