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#1 redwine

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 05:26 PM

http://limousin.fran...n-73182828.html

France 3 29/3/2012 Limoges

Maurice Martin was found guilty and sentenced to 17 years in prison last Thursday in the high court of Limoges.
He murdered another ex-pat also an ex policeman in September 2009 called John Christopher Bradshaw.
Mauice Martin was an ex- soldier.

My question is will he have to serve his time in a French prison ?
What happens when you are abroad and you end up in prison ?
This is an ex-pat murder so will he eventually be sent back to the UK ?

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 05:13 PM

http://limousin.france3.fr/info/maurice-martin-condamne-a-17-ans-de-reclusion-73182828.html

France 3 29/3/2012 Limoges

Maurice Martin was found guilty and sentenced to 17 years in prison last Thursday in the high court of Limoges.
He murdered another ex-pat also an ex policeman in September 2009 called John Christopher Bradshaw.
Mauice Martin was an ex- soldier.

My question is will he have to serve his time in a French prison ?
What happens when you are abroad and you end up in prison ?
This is an ex-pat murder so will he eventually be sent back to the UK ?

Like the badly-named Dominique Prieur and Alain Mafart?
Treating nationals who commit crimes abroad as heroes is mainly a French and American disease.
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#3 davidg

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 04:24 PM

My question is will he have to serve his time in a French prison ?


There are reciprocal agreement in Europe and some other countries (Strasbourg Convention) so he can be transferred to his home country. As a high profile example this happened to a French singer called Bertrand Cantat and was also the case in the Arche de Zoé trial although there is no formal agreement with Tchad.

What happens when you are abroad and you end up in prison ?


Same thing as what happens if you are back home. In the EU there is a 2006 agreement on prisoner treatment but gangs try to extort money or goods from you. You maybe get attacked or killed. You maybe get buggered by other prisoners. You may end up a junkie and unable to reintegrate into society when you are released. Couple that with the communication problems you may have with prison staff and medical services. You won't benefit for temporary release or home leave like other prisoners. That said, your may have a shorter prison sentence and avoid paying any fines by staying put.

This is an ex-pat murder so will he eventually be sent back to the UK ?


Makes no difference what the crime is or who was involved. Local law applies. He may get transferred back to the UK, he may serve his time in France and then be ordered to leave the country on his release (under EU rules of compulsory deportation).

#4 redwine

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:13 PM

http://www.charentel...que,1098271.php

Charente Libre 2/6/12
Dordogne dix huit ans pour le meurte d'un compatriote britannique.
Dordogne 18 years for the murder of a british compatriot.
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Neil Ludlam a 33 year old Brit was found guilty last night by the high court of the Dordogne.
He was sentenced to spend the next 18 years behind bars for the murder of Peter Fuller.
On the night of the 26/6/2009 during a heavy drinking session Ludlam attacked the rich retired 67 year old .
Police found 59 wounds on the victims body but it was the knife that he used on his throat and head that killed him.
Ludlam had been employed by the victim as a gardener for three weeks to work on a future planned golf course.
According to the defense Peter Fuller told Ludlam that he wanted to have sex with his mother.
In court he said that he would never pardon himself and "I am absolutely sorry".

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 02:07 PM

http://www.liberatio...e-marina_826486
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Marina
Marina 8 years old died on the night of the 6th of August 2009.
Naked in the cellar she was put into a cold water bath where her parents would put here head under the water for long periods of time.
She died due to a violent blow on her head with combined stress and hypothermia.
Her parents then put her body into a bin bag in the freezer.
The next day they mixed some cement then they put her body into a plastic box and covered her with cement.
Next they telephoned the police to say that Marina had gone missing at a local Mcdonalds.
Marina was tortured from the age of 2 until her death at the age of 8 years old.
The iron bar.
It would be impossible to write all of the horrors and tortues that Marina suffered.
Because there are far to many.
However it has to be said that you cannot deny her suffering.
She was kicked and punched beaten with a wooden stick and an iron bar not forgetting the leather belt.
Her head under the ice-cold water in the bath.
The afternoons spent running on gravel without any shoes with a heavy load placed on her back.
The vinegar the salt and vomit that she had to swallow.
Never say that she tried to hide her wounds.
Her face was blown up due to being hit so much that she could hardly open her eyes.
Her arms and legs were deformed she was tortued nearly everyday from the age of two.
At her school her teachers contacted the police.
A video was made of the interview.
She is a pretty blonde girl aged 7 wearing a white dress and pink tee shirt.
She smiles.
"Is everything okay at home ?"
"Yes"
"And at school"
"Yes Yes"
"All the same its strange to find so many marks on your back,stomach,arms and your mouth"
I fell down said Marina.
The police decided to no longer continue with the enquiry;
On her way home in the car she told her parents that she had said nothing to the police.
A year later she was dead.
27/6/12
Eric and Virgine Sabatier were found guilty in the high court of Le Mans of death of a child due to acts of tortue and will spend the next 30 years behind prison bars .

It is estimated in France that there are 3,000 children who are considered as being in a dangerous family situation.

#6 redwine

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 05:32 PM

http://www.telegraph...n-the-head.html

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France shooting three victims were shot in the head.

Although everybody today in the Uk and here in France already knows about the Annecy murders but i thought that i would post it seeing as it hasn't been mentioned anywhere on the forum.

BTW This isn't the only British recent murder case not forgetting in the village of Vabre Tizac pop 441 in the Aveyron.
Patrica Wilson 58 years old hasn't been seen since the 17th of August .
She had a short love-affair with her gardener 50 year old Jean-Louis Cayrou after she seperated from her ex english partener.
Today in the court of Montpellier the judge has decided that he should stay in prison he says that he is innocent but the police have not yet found her body but traces of blood and 13000 euros in the caravan where he lives and a pair of her knickers in his glove compartement of his car.

there has already been 20 executions this year in Marseille and a man in his fifties was executed yesterday in Toulouse by being shot in the head .

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 01:53 PM

there has already been 20 executions this year in Marseille and a man in his fifties was executed yesterday in Toulouse by being shot in the head .



I thought france had canned capital punishment?

#8 redwine

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 04:11 PM

http://www.lefigaro....-perpetuite.php

Le figaro14:9:12

Le faux-taxi Bruno Cholet condamné ŕ perpetuite.
The fake taxi-driver Bruno Cholet recieves a life prison sentence.

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Bruno Cholet a 55 year old illegal taxi-driver was today sentenced to life in prison with a minimum of 22 years behind bars.
He was found guilty of the murder of a young swedish girl.
Mr Cholet who has already been found guilty and punished in the past for three rapes one of which was with a child.
Told the court that he was innocent.
Just before the verdict he said to the parents Mr and Mrs Zetterberg "I can look you both straight in the eyes and i am not not the murderer of your daughter"
In 2008 Susanna a 19 year old swedish student who came to France to study french at university in Paris took a taxi to go back home after a night out in a night-club .
She was found the next day in the forest of Chantilly.
Handcuffed with four bullets in her head;
A wound on her throat and her body partially burnt.
It was impossible for the forensic medical police to say if she had been raped due to the state of her corpse.

Her parents are satisfied with the courts decision and her father said "This decision has shown that justice has been done for my daughter".
Bruno Cholet was arrested six days after the crime the weapon that he used as well as three pairs of handcuffs were found in the fake taxi.
CCTV cameras also filmed him trying to use her credit-card at abank.
Despite DNA tests which were positive he still claims that he is innocent.
The judge said.
"Its not enough to say that you are innocent to create a doubt".

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:50 PM

Redwine, what is the point of this thread?

Still not young enough to know everything

 

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#10 redwine

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 06:30 PM

http://www.charentel...ins,1859344.php

Charente Libre 8/10/13.
Quatre ans pour l'Anglais qui agressait ses petits voisins.
Four years for the Englishman who attacked his little neighbours.

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Four years in prison and one year suspended .
This Tuesday afternoon the court of Angouleme found Mr Yeoman guilty of sex offences involving three young English children.
The children of his neighbours in Nieuil for two of them and his godchild who came to visit him from England.
At the time the children were aged 6,9 and 12 years old and the events went on for nearly two years.
In court Mr Yeoman denied the charges against him the retired 60 year old and a long-time friend of his neighbours would often babysit there children.
The neighbour with his friendly teddy-bear look would then turn these moments into hell.

He would force the children to watch pornographique films whilst fondling and masturbait in front of them.
He even had a fellation given by one child.
There hell came to an end when one of them told there parents.
The procureur asked for a five year sentence two in prison and three suspended but the court went even further and gave him four years in prison with one year suspended.

#11 redwine

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 11:10 AM

http://www.lamontagn...le_1781796.html

La montagne Limousin 28/11/13.

Creuse Un couple de ressortissants britanniques condamne en correctionelle.
The Creuse A couple of British nationals are convicted in court.
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On the 31st of October a British couple were brought before the court of Gueret for having not declared there transport company at the Limousin business chamber to the degree that the wife was living in the Creuse.
This morning the court of Gueret gave its verdict the couple were both found guilty and recieved a 6 month suspended prison sentence.
The compensation that is due which is estimated at 68,000 euros for the husband and 68,000 euros for his wife will be decided at a later date.

I followed this case they ran a transport business using two trucks and had declared the business in the UK.
The wife was living in the Creuse for telephone calls and mails but they were transporting goods within France and not declaring anything.
They pleaded there good faith at the first hearing by saying that the company was declared in the UK.
This does not work a British business in France has to be declared in France.
The French transport industry hates this a foreign company is transporting within France has to declare its business in France.
You can't just say that you didn't know which seemed to be there only line of defense.

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 05:43 PM

http://www.lamontagne.fr/limousin/actualite/departement/creuse/2013/11/28/creuse-un-couple-de-ressortissants-britanniques-condamne-en-correctionnelle_1781796.html

La montagne Limousin 28/11/13.

Creuse Un couple de ressortissants britanniques condamne en correctionelle.
The Creuse A couple of British nationals are convicted in court.
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On the 31st of October a British couple were brought before the court of Gueret for having not declared there transport company at the Limousin business chamber to the degree that the wife was living in the Creuse.
This morning the court of Gueret gave its verdict the couple were both found guilty and recieved a 6 month suspended prison sentence.
The compensation that is due which is estimated at 68,000 euros for the husband and 68,000 euros for his wife will be decided at a later date.

I followed this case they ran a transport business using two trucks and had declared the business in the UK.
The wife was living in the Creuse for telephone calls and mails but they were transporting goods within France and not declaring anything.
They pleaded there good faith at the first hearing by saying that the company was declared in the UK.
This does not work a British business in France has to be declared in France.
The French transport industry hates this a foreign company is transporting within France has to declare its business in France.
You can't just say that you didn't know which seemed to be there only line of defense.

Yeah I know French IT people who funnel some payments through foreign companies but then they're not up against the French transport lobby, no trucks to hide.
However I'm surprised they can't actually do what they were doing.
Are all the East European trucks operating in the UK declared in the UK? I doubt it.....
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#13 redwine

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 06:46 PM

However I'm surprised they can't actually do what they were doing.
Are all the East European trucks operating in the UK declared in the UK? I doubt it.....


I don't know about the UK trucking laws.
A simple way to explain what has happened is to imagine a lorry that comes from Spain to France its loaded with fruit the truck delivers in France and returns back to Spain with French goods thats okay it works no fines or nothing but what they did was to come to France deliver the British goods and then they continued to work in France.
They contacted French companies and made deliveries between Lyon and Paris then a Bordeaux to Marseille and so on .
They were working in France but nothing was declared the French transport companies cannot compete with unfair competition they were cheap because they were not paying the same taxes as the French do this is against the law
Its going to cost them a 136,000 euros.

I am sure that if somebody came along and did your job but paid no taxes on the side or on the black in the end you would lose your job because they are cheaper than you

#14 swissy_fit

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 09:37 AM

I don't know about the UK trucking laws.
A simple way to explain what has happened is to imagine a lorry that comes from Spain to France its loaded with fruit the truck delivers in France and returns back to Spain with French goods thats okay it works no fines or nothing but what they did was to come to France deliver the British goods and then they continued to work in France.
They contacted French companies and made deliveries between Lyon and Paris then a Bordeaux to Marseille and so on .
They were working in France but nothing was declared the French transport companies cannot compete with unfair competition they were cheap because they were not paying the same taxes as the French do this is against the law
Its going to cost them a 136,000 euros.

OK, well I'm pretty sure this goes on in the UK, much to the disgust of British truckies, but then UK law is not aimed at protecting UK jobs, it's aimed at maximising shareholder returns.

I am sure that if somebody came along and did your job but paid no taxes on the side or on the black in the end you would lose your job because they are cheaper than you

:lol:
Funny you should mention that.....
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Posted 16 December 2013 - 11:27 AM

http://actu.orange.f...fp_2714854.html
Orange news 9/12/13

Var un couple de Britanniques juge pour traite d'etre humain.
The Var a British couple were judged for treating a human being as a slave.
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The Moses couple were judged last Monday for slavery not paying any salary ,exploiting a vulnerable or depdendant person and not declaring a worker.
Mr Moses who works as a chef for celebrities did not turn up in court his wife n airline-hostess replied to the judges.
The civil prosecuter claimed a 5,000 euros fine for not having declared a worker.
The lawyer of the victim has claimed 24,000 euros in unpaid wages and 15,000 in damages.

Mrs Moses tried to defend the impossible showing all of her scorn for the victim said the defense lawyer.
The 23 year old woman was brought over from Madagascar to work 30 hours a week as an au pair.
Between 2008 to 2009 they made her work day and night.

Mrs Moses took away her passport and prevented her from going outside and from having any contact with her family or friends and the Moses no longer paid her wages.
After a year the young woman stole 10 euros telephoned her family and left...




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