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#1 88Crash

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 10:42 AM

“If not then why not get out”?

It’s a question, not a statement and obviously aimed at people on a forum I do not know personally!

I joined the forum back in 2005 and since then the UK has gone from bad to worse. Financially I was doing very well, House prices were NOT a problem for me, but I considered it a problem for us as a society, especially younger people

Its now almost 7 years later and the ‘younger people’ I had in mind then were in their early 20’s (friends/relatives) and now most of them in into their 30’s and their situation, mostly.. is not good

You get one life – thats not my opinion = its a fact (exception is... if you believe in reincarnation etc,)

If you are not happy in the UK and you are under 40 (ish) I would say GET OUT

Note I am only saying ‘If YOU are not happy’

I left the UK only 2 years ago, but I wish I did it 10 years sooner
Not saying its easy, not saying anyone should do it and I’m not saying where anyone should go
But can anyone tell me any trend in the UK that looks like its improving over the next 10 years and I’m not just talking about financial or house prices – 10 years is a hell of a lot of years to waste, not being happy and sadly I am speaking about myself here as well as many others I know

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 10:47 AM

where did you go to?

and were you in the south or the north of the UK before?

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 10:48 AM

Getting out of the UK and travelling around the world can be an admirable thing but you still need money to do it. What if you have no money to get out?

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 10:53 AM

where did you go to?

and were you in the south or the north of the UK before?


London for 38 years - Surrey for 10 years and Cape Town for last 2 years

I wouldn't recommend South Africa for everyone for sure and depending on individual circumstances EU alternatives are far easier

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 10:59 AM

Getting out of the UK and travelling around the world can be an admirable thing but you still need money to do it. What if you have no money to get out?


You need to make a plan!

If you would like to leave the UK but have no money (believe me I know!) then rushing off somewhere is a bad plan

If you need to save up or get some extra training to set yourself up before you go, it will probably take a few years?
But at least you have a plan

I’m being very simplistic, but for the sake of example, Australia needed Brit plumbers a few years back (this may have changed, use the Internet, research and be ahead of the curve)

Within reason anyone can become a plumber given a bit of time, even if you have to do an extra job in a restaurant to pay for the course, etc.

I can’t stress enough, I am not saying its easy and frankly if you are over a certain age, its almost impossible, but if you are young enough and not happy in the UK, what do you have to lose?

PS "The what do you have to lose" is not aimed at you = generalisation

Edited by 88Crash, 04 December 2011 - 11:01 AM.


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Posted 04 December 2011 - 11:04 AM

This is the one big thing on my plate right now. Never travelled prior to when I started work and since then been to Germany, France, Spain, Egypt, Austria. States next year. The UK yob culture is awful and house prices are ridiculous. That being said, I just spent a week in Munich on my own. It was great and I almost miss the place already, but it WAS lonely. I suppose I've always been around friends and family and so it's making me think somewhat. A move abroad would be so advantageous though, I reckon... Part of me thinks if I stay at my current employer for yonks I'll be well-placed to 'move up' but now I don't even know if I want that extra stress for the money (which wont be THAT much more). Plus I don't think it works like that - need to move for more opportunity. Moving to Germany would allow me to speak another language (hopefully), give me worldly perspectives, see how the German engineers work etc etc. Girlfriend of 4 years is dead against it. In fact so much so that it would end our relationship if I did move there. I'm still only 27, mind... Did you move to Cape Town with family?

You DO only live once, of course. It makes me think about a lot of things. I enjoy my job but I like the idea of trying different jobs, too. I would love to move abroad and also change what I do!

The yob culture in the UK is awful (see my threads in off topic). Luckily in Scotland housing isn't AS expensive as elsewhere. Sometimes I think... if I could pay a place off up here then outgoings would reduce massively and you'd be set up, financially. The weather is freezing, though...!

Coming back to buying here. Imagine paying some place off. Some of the happiest folks I know have few money worries. Income can then be used to go on big holidays or whatever, you'd still have lifelong friends and family around you etc. On the other hand.. .despite the downside of all the costs involved and most likely renting it out, there's the prospect of 'growing' yourself and moving away. But apart from moving for a job, what would there be to do in other country where the language isn't British. Would be pretty isolating? Perhaps not! I'm guessing you'd really need to get a support network going, find friends there and probably get a girlfriend. Otherwise lots of nights in on your own!

EDIT - all the 'better the devil you know' argument. At least I know the downsides here, I know I have my doctor, dentist, the NHS etc. I know how it all works. At the same time I have never hated the place more lol - it is rancid and deeply unfair. You can see there's a war raging in my mind right now....!! (Same with the war with whether to continue doing engineering or not as the money really isn't there despite it being a difficult and productive job).

Edited by guitarman001, 04 December 2011 - 11:18 AM.


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Posted 04 December 2011 - 11:08 AM

London for 38 years - Surrey for 10 years and Cape Town for last 2 years

I wouldn't recommend South Africa for everyone for sure and depending on individual circumstances EU alternatives are far easier


SA, gated communities and handguns in the glovebox. Sorry, not for me.

Had this discussion a few times on this forum. Currently living on the East coast of Scotland, few k above national average wage, and loving it.

Lived a few places in my life, albeit molly-coddled by the army, and Scotland is the best place for me.

Enjoy the rest of your life, that's for everybody btw!

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 11:10 AM

What is it about Scotland that does it for you? And were you born here (just out of interest!). What part of East Scotland - East Lothian?

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 11:11 AM

The UK is now pretty much a corrupt, lazy, chav invested sh1thole, where the few decent hard-working folk left get shat on from all sides and above.

A product of EU human right mantra, socialist all inclusive - hey-lets-encourage-all-the-fuktards-to-have-four-kids-each-and-live-of-the-state-forever short sighted thinking.

To live in a society is a privilege, not a right and if you are not contributing something whether it is money or labour or love, then you have no part in it and should fvck off and live in Brussels with all the other useless tossers

<Rustles Mail in derision >

The answer is a NO by the way, but Yoko won't leave and let's face it where can you go where the tentacles of confused socialism haven't poisoned the water.

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 11:20 AM

The UK is now pretty much a corrupt, lazy, chav invested sh1thole, where the few decent hard-working folk left get shat on from all sides and above.

A product of EU human right mantra, socialist all inclusive - hey-lets-encourage-all-the-fuktards-to-have-four-kids-each-and-live-of-the-state-forever short sighted thinking.

To live in a society is a privilege, not a right and if you are not contributing something whether it is money or labour or love, then you have no part in it and should fvck off and live in Brussels with all the other useless tossers

<Rustles Mail in derision >

The answer is a NO by the way, but Yoko won't leave and let's face it where can you go where the tentacles of confused socialism haven't poisoned the water.


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Posted 04 December 2011 - 11:20 AM

I'm fairly sure happiness is a state of mind.

2004-2007 working like dogs saving money, takeaways, 2 holidays abroad (mostly because wife had never gone before), usually bored after the first week there. Buy a game every month, a new gadget every year.

2008-2011 Finally learned to partner dance (took 2 years before to get good at it lol), out up to 3 times a week dancing to live bands and quite a bit of beer, 7 mini holidays at cheap festivals/chalet events. Cancelled the tv license.

Finances

2004-2007 both on £23 hr
2009 one income £24k
2010 one income £11k
2011 £24k + £12k

2004-2007 was working too hard, lots of holidays abroad, yet totally focused on overpaying.

2009 Was fairly depressing out of work for a year, money perceived to be too tight, kept overpaying regardless.

2010 I got a job, wife lost hers, we thought money was tight before try £11k lol. Dumped overpaying, all food cooked at home, takeaway every 2 weeks. Beer became a huge treat. Strangely I was working in a non office environment .... and was happier. My happiness level was higher than ever, no commute, no stupid megalomaniac boss talking shit all day, out of the rat race look what i got at the weekend crap.

Happiness wise I would say 2011 wins, going out loads, mortgage half paid off. Social dancing seems to have a placebo that lasts 2 days. Most the people that seem unhappy are the relentless keeping up with the Jones's, latest gadget, lots of home movies drink at home, preoccupied with the number of bedrooms types.

So I would say moving country has no effect, if not a negative effect on happiness (if you actually have a social circle lol). Even with your household income in tatters, 'Armageddon' sirens going off for the last 2 years, while standing at a sweet shop wondering if you should buy that 55p chocolate bar, being happy is possible.

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 11:22 AM

Good post, pathfinder!!
Would be interested to hear more about the dancing! I used to do salsa with a Colombian I used to date and it was fun.

Edited by guitarman001, 04 December 2011 - 11:22 AM.


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Posted 04 December 2011 - 11:25 AM

If you have any social capital (family, friends, business relationships etc) in the community in which you are living, you'd need pretty big reasons to move and write it off. And if you've failed to build up that capital so far in a country where you speak the language, have connections, understand the culture and law - what chance do you have on the side of the planet?

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 11:26 AM

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This is the one big thing on my plate right now.

This is the one big thing on my plate right now. Never travelled prior to when I started work and since then been to Germany, France, Spain, Egypt, Austria. States next year.

ME: At 27 it sounds like you have been lucky so far to have had those experiences

The UK yob culture is awful and house prices are ridiculous.

ME: Its beyond a joke, I live in one of the worlds most dangerous countries and go back to the UK a few times a year – I get closer to potential violence more in the UK than SA, at least in SA we can protect ourselves and we know the rules and a lot of the extreme violence is a poverty/Africa thing – the UK is one of the worlds richest countries FFS

That being said, I just spent a week in Munich on my own. It was great and I almost miss the place already, but it WAS lonely. I suppose I've always been around friends and family and so it's making me think somewhat.

ME: It is a serious consideration and unless you have few friends and family, it kind of goes with the territory – it is easier nowadays with Skype/cheap phone calls and especially in you locate in Germany - you are only 2 hours away

A move abroad would be so advantageous though, I reckon... Part of me thinks if I stay at my current employer for yonks I'll be well-placed to 'move up' but now I don't even know if I want that extra stress for the money (which wont be THAT much more). Plus I don't think it works like that - need to move for more opportunity. Moving to Germany would allow me to speak another language (hopefully), give me worldly perspectives, see how the German engineers work etc etc. Girlfriend of 4 years is dead against it. In fact so much so that it would end our relationship if I did move there. I'm still only 27, mind... Did you move to Cape Town with family?

ME: No – on my own – far too much detail to put into a forum post, but you are only 27, lets say you make that move and lets say in 10 years time you decide to come back to the UK? At least you would have done what you are thinking of doing rather than the “What could have been stuff”?

You DO only live once, of course. It makes me think about a lot of things. I enjoy my job but I like the idea of trying different jobs, too. I would love to move abroad and also change what I do!

ME: I don’t want to be presumptuous, but you are more or less answering your own question – You need to go for it I reckon, give it a few years and only then will you know if it was the right move for you, if its is not i.e. you miss family and friends too much – come back!

The yob culture in the UK is awful (see my threads in off topic). Luckily in Scotland housing isn't AS expensive as elsewhere. Sometimes I think... if I could pay a place off up here then outgoings would reduce massively and you'd be set up, financially. The weather is freezing, though...!

ME: Google Cape Town weather yourself – I don’t want to rub it in

PS Health care in most part of the world is fine - often as good//better than NHS - you need to factor in health insurance, but remember the NHS is not free - you pay for it through UK taxes

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 11:32 AM

SA, gated communities and handguns in the glovebox. Sorry, not for me.

Had this discussion a few times on this forum. Currently living on the East coast of Scotland, few k above national average wage, and loving it.

Lived a few places in my life, albeit molly-coddled by the army, and Scotland is the best place for me.

Enjoy the rest of your life, that's for everybody btw!


You too for sure – as long as you can put up with the cold and I love Scotland but being a ‘soft southerner’ I struggle with the cold, in fact thinking about Cape Town is about as far south as you can go before reaching the Antartic

Gated communities etc, are a reality in some parts of SA for sure, but not where I live

A bit like the part of Scotland where you live bears no relation to London, Manchester or Birmingham, even though it’s still in the UK

You said you spent time overseas in the forces – a straight question - not trying to catch you out, but have you ever been to South Africa?




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