[Ned Coates]

'The Masked Tulip'
Or maybe you were born in a cushy part of the planet and are ignorant of just how much evil there is elsewhere in the world? That good people in our country have to do bad things so that you can sit at home typing sanctimonious stuff on the internet? Just asking.

And just to add, it is noteworthy that recently an american serviceman publicly stated that the reason that 18 veterans on average self terminate every day in the states, is not because they were over there helping Iraqis. They top themselves because they know they were committing atrocities.

What illegal ground forces are now on the ground in Syria? The information is on the net. You could start with RT or the wikileaks stratfor material itself. You wouldn't even need to leave the comfort of your own home

I don't think it will happen but it is possible, that in the not too distant future, the current crop of children will be turning around on their parents and saying, "Just exactly WTF were you doing nothing daddy when all the info was on the net?"

A million years ago the state propaganda was "What did you do in the war Daddy" to get men out the door. Now the propaganda seems to be to get the men to stay in door's and just watch footie and gameshows.

This post has been edited by Ned Coates: 07 March 2012 - 01:59 PM

[Nuggets Mahoney]

Ned Coates, on 07 March 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

And just to add, it is noteworthy that recently an american serviceman publicly stated that the reason that 18 veterans on average self terminate every day in the states, is not because they were over there helping Iraqis. They top themselves because they know they were committing atrocities.

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This year, Paul has 10 times the individual donations — totaling $113,739 — from the military as does Mitt Romney. And he has a hundred times more than Newt Gingrich, who sat out the Vietnam War with college deferments and now promises he would strike foes at the slightest provocation.

One of the problems with forgetting about the OBL narrative and moving on is that it would involve forgetting the supposed reason why British forces are killing and being killed in some resource-rich bog hole halfway around the world.

Another six British soldiers lost their lives in Afghanistan on Tuesday. That occupation has been going on for the best part of 11 years now. The pretext for staining our hands with the killing, the drug peddling and placing British service personnel in harm's way was chasing OBL down.

PS A Few Good Men is a really, really, really s**t film

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[RichB]

bulltraderpt, on 07 March 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

Plus just how many innocent Iraqis did Saddam kill before he was taken out and when were all those self righteous people (like yourself evidently), going to don a uniform and help the down trodden Iraq people destroy a tyrannical regime?

Just asking like?

Trick question surely....

[Turned Out Nice Again]

Game_Over, on 06 March 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

Generally I don't hold with conspiracy theories

or in other words,

"generally i believe everything the authorities tell me ..."

funny how people never state their little disclaimer in that way.

[Ned Coates]

bulltraderpt, on 07 March 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

Genuine links please confirming these assertions.

Plus just how many innocent Iraqis did Saddam kill before he was taken out and when were all those self righteous people (like yourself evidently), going to don a uniform and help the down trodden Iraq people destroy a tyrannical regime?

Just asking like?

Here's one link as a gift, but from now on, try and warm those fingers of yours up so they can drive a computer around the internet properly. Just telling

[Ned Coates]

bulltraderpt, on 08 March 2012 - 08:01 AM, said:

Yeap and as you can see from Ned's reply, he's not answered the question.

Oh well, they don't like it up 'em Captain Mainwaring!

I didn't think it worthy of a response since the nazi party hadn't attacked the country at that point. Simply supplied it with arms and policies that caused the deaths you speak of. However, quickly turning to the internet and ignoring wackipedia and other compromised information sources, I found this report.

http://www.prisoncen...hvshussein.html

It would appear that if you include the iraq/iran/(usa/russian sponsored)war and the previous reich chancellor bush's murders of the 91'uprising then you get forty odd a day. Incredibly only about double the amount of us vets suiciding each day.

You are willfully and not skillfully, ignoring what the score is. Your choice of course

[cashinmattress]

Bin Laden died of illness, this was made clear by the late Benazir Bhutto.

So the Americans fictitiously killed an already dead man.

However it panned out, the threat of Bin Laden was never a real one.

There are far greater threats from the middle east, like the kingdom of Saudi and other oil rich states run by despots. Plus Israel, who do not have any indigenous wealth and are currently playing the guns for hire role at Americas behest in order to keep these oil despots from becoming aligned into an Arab super state.

Time will see all that change of course, as we see the energy balance shifting with America and the western states picking off the despots one by one, supplanting them with lackeys.

[Nuggets Mahoney]

bulltraderpt, on 07 March 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

Not according to IMDb:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104257/

It's rated 7.6 out of 10 by 88000 users.

Pop quiz

Before peeking, can you recall the plot?

cashinmattress, on 08 March 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

Bin Laden died of illness, this was made clear by the late Benazir Bhutto.

Benazir Bhutto said that OBL was 'murdered' by Omar Sheikh. If you listen to the interview it's fairly clear it was a slip of the tongue and she was talking about Daniel Pearl, not OBL. Not sure how the claim that Omar Sheikh murdered OBL would fit into anyone's narrative anyway

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[Nuggets Mahoney]

bulltraderpt, on 07 March 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

Genuine links please confirming these assertions.

Plus just how many innocent Iraqis did Saddam kill before he was taken out and when were all those self righteous people (like yourself evidently), going to don a uniform and help the down trodden Iraq people destroy a tyrannical regime?

Just asking like?

Which one would that be? Pre or post invasion?

This post has been edited by Nuggets Mahoney: 08 March 2012 - 09:40 AM

[RichB]

Turned Out Nice Again, on 08 March 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

or in other words,

"generally i believe everything the authorities tell me ..."

funny how people never state their little disclaimer in that way.

Or to rephrase - "I believe the professional conspirators, not the amatuer theorists".

[Ned Coates]

bulltraderpt, on 08 March 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

The second one.

I'm assuming all those who objected to the second one, didn't object to the first one.

Back then I was a sleeping idiot which is how you are coming across to me now. Might just be a front though eh? Anyway let's get back on plot.

Back then I used to watch and read msm with no idea I was being bombarded with state of the art propaganda just like you right now. And being played for a kn*b by the rulers. I'm awake now thanks to the internet. Which is probably why one of those rockerfella items publicly stated it should be shut down. The portal will certainly be shut soon. Already You Tube has been tweeked.

Although I have reason to believe I am powerless, at least unlike you I am not ignorant. I have come a long way since watching Zeitgiest Final Edition in 2009. The first Zeitgiest film.

For this particular situation it would behove you to read Johnathon Perkins book 'Confessions of an Economic Hitman' Or you can watch him covering Saddam Hussein in Zeitgiest Addendum. The second Zeitgeist film. Or you could get the internet download of him doing a presentation to 'awake' us veterens. The short of it is Saddam Hussein was a CIA trained asset. Who ultimately ended up as dictator/CEO of Iraq. Can't think why of course. Can you? What type of personality type do you think CIA/MI5 assets are? Perhaps he was one of the boy's, doing his bosses bidding. What do you think?

In power he regularly bought arms, (from your benign heroes and the pictures of the meetings are on the net), but ultimately he wouldn't give up the oil.

The current set of fascists have a three step programme for asset aquirement. Saddam Hussein triggered all three and then some. When reich chancellor bush senior betrayed the humans in the first scuffle 400,000 were murdered. Lovely family. And let us not forget Madeline Albright publicly saying half a million Iraqi children starving to death was worth it. Tell me. In what world is that right? Do you have children?
Or even give a s**t?

[Ned Coates]

bulltraderpt, on 08 March 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

Save me from the conspiracy theorists!

I think you've been spending slightly too much time on Prison Planet!

Here's the deal life's not fair, politics is everywhere, life's not a meritocracy. the west have done good things and not so good things in the past.

However and this might blow your mind, perhaps, just perhaps technology will save the ignorant from themselves. Here I'm thinking that this thing called the internet (hang on invented in the West), is what is giving the arab youth their voice to come out of the shadows and want to be more like us in the West, you know more er free and not having to grow up brain chained to their religious beliefs.

Hang on, according to you, us in the West, we are evil, we take but never give, please save me from that type of thinking.

Your a Guardian reader I can tell!

Oh and btw do you really think things would have been different in the world if Islam was the dominant force and the roles had been reversed and our democratic system (for all its faults) was the lesser player?

Come on, even for a not so ignorant Guardian reader you should be able to work that one out!

The West destroyed communism and Capitalism (for all it's faults and I acknowledge there are many), will save the Middles east from themselves.

Anyway, whose for bombing Iran, I bet your not!

You are clearly sick and I will reply tomorrow as I'm going out now.
In the meantime I acknowledge dead children turn you on.

[Game_Over]

Charlie The Tramp Returns, on 06 March 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:

Did they not take his DNA and confirmed his identity through comparing it with family members.

That's not really proof though because they could have, well, sort of, lied?

I believe the CIA invented lying in 1947

before that everyone just told the truth

Honest.

[Game_Over]

Ned Coates, on 08 March 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

Back then I was a sleeping idiot which is how you are coming across to me now. Might just be a front though eh? Anyway let's get back on plot.

Back then I used to watch and read msm with no idea I was being bombarded with state of the art propaganda just like you right now. And being played for a kn*b by the rulers. I'm awake now thanks to the internet. Which is probably why one of those rockerfella items publicly stated it should be shut down. The portal will certainly be shut soon. Already You Tube has been tweeked.

Although I have reason to believe I am powerless, at least unlike you I am not ignorant. I have come a long way since watching Zeitgiest Final Edition in 2009. The first Zeitgiest film.

For this particular situation it would behove you to read Johnathon Perkins book 'Confessions of an Economic Hitman' Or you can watch him covering Saddam Hussein in Zeitgiest Addendum. The second Zeitgeist film. Or you could get the internet download of him doing a presentation to 'awake' us veterens. The short of it is Saddam Hussein was a CIA trained asset. Who ultimately ended up as dictator/CEO of Iraq. Can't think why of course. Can you? What type of personality type do you think CIA/MI5 assets are? Perhaps he was one of the boy's, doing his bosses bidding. What do you think?

In power he regularly bought arms, (from your benign heroes and the pictures of the meetings are on the net), but ultimately he wouldn't give up the oil.

The current set of fascists have a three step programme for asset aquirement. Saddam Hussein triggered all three and then some. When reich chancellor bush senior betrayed the humans in the first scuffle 400,000 were murdered. Lovely family. And let us not forget Madeline Albright publicly saying half a million Iraqi children starving to death was worth it. Tell me. In what world is that right? Do you have children?
Or even give a s**t?

Sorry, but I think all the evidence points to the fact that the vast majority of humanity don't actually give a shit about starving children unless they are their own

Otherwise surely I would have not spent the last 40 odd years watching news reports about starving children?

[Game_Over]

JJJ, on 06 March 2012 - 09:52 PM, said:

That doesn't stand up to analysis. It's almost certain that someone knows the truth.

Good point

No one who doesn't need to know

will ever know the truth