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Britain's 'mickey Mouse' Border Controls Let 500,000 Into The Country Without Any Checks For Five Years


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#16 leicestersq

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 02:12 PM

We need a whole new army of public sector workers for this....yes lets..


If you have a citizens id database, you don't. Such a database will instantly recognise someone who shouldn't be in the UK. Sooner or later you will come into contact with it as an illegal if the state use it everywhere. As soon as you are caught, you can be sent home.

You barely need border guards at all.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 02:16 PM

If you have a citizens id database, you don't. Such a database will instantly recognise someone who shouldn't be in the UK. Sooner or later you will come into contact with it as an illegal if the state use it everywhere. As soon as you are caught, you can be sent home.

You barely need border guards at all.



We havent got enough centres to place illegals in as it is....they already come into contact with UKBA and often through raids on restuarants etc etc.....they are released virtually straight away, even if found to be illegal as there is nowhere to hold them...so what makes you think this would change without more massive public mony and taking on a whole new army of public sector workers..
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 04:21 PM

You all missed the point. The article doesn't talk about the issue of immigration, it talks about the need for even more security theatre to protect us from them terrarists. There was no suggestion that the numbers of illegal immigrants was a problem, as that's non-PC, but instead, it said there was a need to encourage us to drop our shorts and bend over for a cavity search every time we want to visit Europe.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 09:35 PM

Yeah, only a tiny minority amongst half a million people will have criminal tendencies, <_<



wrong. it's not a tiny minority. (and even if the numbers are small, each murder/rape/mugging is an unnecessary crime against the citizens of this country) could only find this link at short notice but reports from poland/romania law enforcement is that crime is down noticeably in their countries as a lot of undesirables have heard the siren song of the UK.....

There is always death and taxes; however, death doesn't get worse every year.....

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:12 PM

wrong. it's not a tiny minority. (and even if the numbers are small, each murder/rape/mugging is an unnecessary crime against the citizens of this country) could only find this link at short notice but reports from poland/romania law enforcement is that crime is down noticeably in their countries as a lot of undesirables have heard the siren song of the UK.....


Yes, but what sort of crime is it? I can see why translation facilities would be strained, but the impression I get of Polish immigrant crime in general is domestic violence, neighbour disputes, unlicensed cars, and general petty/nuisance crime, but from my perspective the majority of Polish people don't seem more inclined to criminal acts than the rest of the populace, with Romani Gypsies by far more inclined to career criminality and unfairly barging in on Big Issue selling. And nasty psychos can come from anywhere and everywhere (that Newport ex-Army guy who raped and murdered that heavily pregnant girl).

A symptom of French authorities shunting its immigrants onto us is a minority of African immigrants speaking a French dialect. :lol:

Also Zanu Bob's anecdote about dubious immigrants doing vast amounts of very menial, rubbish work matches up with my perceptions - in a Bristol supermarket car park I saw South Asian looking guys doing manual car washing, when a Dominos Pizza place opened at Keynsham they had non-local people standing about with billboards, and a local curry house I walk/drive past on almost daily basis had been employing illegals.

Edited by Big Orange, 23 February 2012 - 12:14 PM.


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Posted 23 February 2012 - 02:31 PM

Also Zanu Bob's anecdote about dubious immigrants doing vast amounts of very menial, rubbish work matches up with my perceptions - in a Bristol supermarket car park I saw South Asian looking guys doing manual car washing, when a Dominos Pizza place opened at Keynsham they had non-local people standing about with billboards, and a local curry house I walk/drive past on almost daily basis had been employing illegals.


This has had quite an interesting consequences in our area, namely, that the curry houses have now started employing young English teens to work the phones and be on the counter at the weekend because the recently-arrived cooks etc cannot speak English well enough to take orders correctly.

And to be honest, considering I live in an area where some rather testing things have happened recently vis a vis race and crime, I thought this was a rather smart move on the part of the curry kings. :D

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 02:38 PM

Sure any squaddie reading this in deepest Helmand must be wondering what the hell he's out there for.
Aren't they supposed to be "protecting us"?

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 04:40 PM

What's the process for those who arrive illegally to subsequently settle in the UK?



They ask them their name and give em a wad of sterling and ask them not to run away into the country or they may be put in prison and will have to stay even longer until their case is heard, then they will let them out give em more money and a job( which they will keep for a fortnight until their benefit claim comes through) . Ah what a nice country we are.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:47 PM

At least the authorities have got their priorities straight and caught a load of meanie fishermen stealing fish (from the sea). :lol:
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 06:57 AM

Anyone remember that tv series Alien Nation? Seemed quite funny at the time eh!

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:48 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2103922/UK-border-controls-let-500-000-country-checks-FIVE-YEARS.html

'Britain's shambolic Border Agency has routinely dropped or downgraded major immigration controls for the past five years without ministerial approval, a devastating report revealed last night.

It found up to half a million Eurostar passengers arriving from French tourist resorts, including Disneyland Paris, were waved into Britain without facing any anti-terror checks.

The European nationals were not examined against the Home Office’s so-called Warnings Index, which contains details of terrorists and dangerous criminals who must be refused entry to keep the public safe.

The report, which was ordered after last year’s revelations that senior civil servants were abandoning passport checks, provoked fury, with MPs criticising Britain’s ‘Mickey Mouse’ immigration controls. Yesterday’s report also revealed how:

Staff at Heathrow Airport allowed foreign students into Britain last year – even if they did not have a valid visa;
Officials abandoned reading expensive biometric chips in passports nearly 15,000 times at ten ports between January and June last year;
Anti-terror checks were abandoned more than 350 times over the two years, mostly at ports in France, because long traffic jams were a ‘health and safety’ problem;
Such is the poor record-keeping at the agency, that the true implications of the border breaches may never be known;
On a number of occasions, including the Eurostar loophole, UKBA staff acted entirely without ministerial approval.

The report, by John Vine, chief inspector of the UK Border Agency, was commissioned last year following the so-called ‘Brodiegate’ scandal.'






it goes on...I thought increased immigration meant we'd all be richer?ok a bit of pressure on housing but all the socialists and big govt advocates assure us regularly that high levels of immigration make them rich.


And if the liberals get their way they will double that by granting anyone and everyone a amnesty, Not even thinking about the knock on effect it will have on youth unemployment the health service ,education,future pensions,just to name a few. We have really been stuffed by the last government and this one is just carrying on the same format.

Edited by awaytogo, 28 February 2012 - 11:49 AM.


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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:51 AM

At least the authorities have got their priorities straight and caught a load of meanie fishermen stealing fish (from the sea). :lol:


Yep

So the other countries can have more to steal. :D

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:52 AM

We havent got enough centres to place illegals in as it is....they already come into contact with UKBA and often through raids on restuarants etc etc.....they are released virtually straight away, even if found to be illegal as there is nowhere to hold them...so what makes you think this would change without more massive public mony and taking on a whole new army of public sector workers..


I sort of agree. The problem is massive. If you are going to sort this out, first of all you need the id database to help you recognise those who are here illegally and those who are not.

And for those that are here illegally, you need to send them home again on an almost industrial scale. Spending on this would be massive to begin with.

Once it becomes clear that if you come to the UK illegally, you will be sent home, no human rights or anything like that, then people will stop coming here illegally, and the cost of repatriation will fall as a result. You cant avoid that big spend though if you wish to resolve the problem.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:57 PM

And for those that are here illegally, you need to send them home again on an almost industrial scale. Spending on this would be massive to begin with.


Um, how would the international community, let alone neighbouring countries such as France, Belgium, and Holland, react to the UK state forcibly rounding up hundreds of thousands/possibly millions of people and then attempting to take them back mainland Europe?! <_<

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 02:00 PM

It found up to half a million Eurostar passengers arriving from French tourist resorts, including Disneyland Paris, were waved into Britain without facing any anti-terror checks.


The vast majority of terror attacks carried out by non-British citizens have come from the Irish Republic and they have never faced a passport controls or 'anti-terror' checks but we have somehow managed.

We would do better to concentrate on non-EU borders and join Schengen. The UK Border Agency does make checks in Paris and Brussels and are making nothing but a nuiscance of themselves. Travel around the EU should be no different to travalling to Glasgow or Cardiff.




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