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#1 newbonic

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 04:02 PM

If you thought modern cars are more difficult to clock than pre 2000 motors then think again. According to a Sunday Times article more than 50 businesses across the UK offer 'mileage correction' services (google it).
Most popular cars to clock are less than 3 year exec models (higher values and I assume mileages are recorded on the 3 year MoT) but most cars can be clocked with a plug in gizmo.

HPI say that 8% of 'small executive' models e.g. BMW 1 series have 'mileage discrepancies'.

Prices quoted were 90 to clock a Golf, to 300 to clock a Merc C class. According to the ST 2nd hand buy column a 2009 Volvo XC90 at 20k miles = 23.75k, but at 40k miles it would be 21.5k - so a bent dealer or private seller could get an extra 2,250 by clocking it.

Caveat Emptor.
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#2 gf3

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 04:28 PM

If you thought modern cars are more difficult to clock than pre 2000 motors then think again. According to a Sunday Times article more than 50 businesses across the UK offer 'mileage correction' services (google it).
Most popular cars to clock are less than 3 year exec models (higher values and I assume mileages are recorded on the 3 year MoT) but most cars can be clocked with a plug in gizmo.

HPI say that 8% of 'small executive' models e.g. BMW 1 series have 'mileage discrepancies'.

Prices quoted were 90 to clock a Golf, to 300 to clock a Merc C class. According to the ST 2nd hand buy column a 2009 Volvo XC90 at 20k miles = 23.75k, but at 40k miles it would be 21.5k - so a bent dealer or private seller could get an extra 2,250 by clocking it.

Caveat Emptor.

I remember hearing a story where this guy removed the speedo from his mini to clock it and he found a brown label tied to the speedo cable saying ...

"OH NO NOT AGAIN!!"

Edited by gf3, 19 February 2012 - 04:29 PM.


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Posted 19 February 2012 - 05:01 PM

It is unfortunate by-product of the MOT that newer cars are still clocked. Once they get to 3, the mileage is logged at every MOT and readily checkable.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 05:06 PM

I can't see how the mileage would tally with the service history, unless a falsified one of those was prepared.
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Posted 19 February 2012 - 05:20 PM

It is unfortunate by-product of the MOT that newer cars are still clocked. Once they get to 3, the mileage is logged at every MOT and readily checkable.

Unless you clock it every year before the MOT, to say 10k done, not 30k done.

I'm sure that never happens.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 05:34 PM

I can't see how the mileage would tally with the service history, unless a falsified one of those was prepared.


Apparently you have one legit main dealer service to maintain FSH value and then you either self service the others (oil & oil filter and air filter is very easy to do DIY) or you pay an Indi garage to do any "aditional" services for cash no stamps required.

This way only service mileage recorded is on the main dealer database before the 3 year MOT mileage starts to be recorded. Also you would need to make sure the main dealer service was the last one before the cars "annual birthday) so it doesn't look odd that you have only done a few K miles in the last 9 months.

Very popular with personal lease hire where you fix annual milaeage @ 10k p/a to keep the lease hire down. ;)

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 05:35 PM

I can't see how the mileage would tally with the service history, unless a falsified one of those was prepared.

Cheaper, older cars from a crooked non franchised dealer could actually get a fake service history.

The ST article quotes a pro clocker as saying that "we will do what the customer wants but they should tell any future buyer that they cannot guarantee the mileage... ". They point out that it's not illegal to do the procedure, and it's up to the seller to tell the buyer. They also say they can reduce mileage recorded on ignition keys (I didn't know keys recorded that info!).

I guess the biggest risk is buying 2nd hand in a private sale and being ripped off by a seller who disappears. Or who just shrugs and says "the mileage was ok when I sold it you" if he gets caught out. If they can buy an almost 3 year old high miler and clock it from, say, 70k to 25k then they will make several k, and career crims, maybe with fake ID, will find it a pretty good way of making a good living.

But also the service history not tallying with the displayed mileage is how I assume how HPI arrive at their 8% have a discrepancy figure.

I would imagine you'll be fairly safe going to a main franchised dealer, albeit at a higher sale price.
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Posted 19 February 2012 - 05:38 PM

Apparently you have one legit main dealer service to maintain FSH value and then you either self service the others (oil & oil filter and air filter is very easy to do DIY) or you pay an Indi garage to do any "aditional" services for cash no stamps required.


Yeah right! ;) :)

The hell with it, I won't own it soon more like.

#9 Greg Bowman

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 05:58 PM

I can't see how the mileage would tally with the service history, unless a falsified one of those was prepared.


So you do 15k in a year last service 30k your up to to 45k, you clock it and have the service carried out at 36k. Didn't have you as a naive middle class goon Harry......

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#10 markyh

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 06:01 PM

Prices quoted were 90 to clock a Golf, to 300 to clock a Merc C class. According to the ST 2nd hand buy column a 2009 Volvo XC90 at 20k miles = 23.75k, but at 40k miles it would be 21.5k - so a bent dealer or private seller could get an extra 2,250 by clocking it.

Caveat Emptor.



You would be mad to pay 90 for this!!! You can buy the software to put on any windows laptop and the cable to connect to you make of cars OBD 2 / canbus port for less than 20 of ebay.

http://www.ebay.co.u...633488508804139

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#11 Greg Bowman

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 06:06 PM

You would be mad to pay 90 for this!!! You can buy the software to put on any windows laptop and the cable to connect to you make of cars OBD 2 / canbus port for less than 20 of ebay.

http://www.ebay.co.u...633488508804139

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Not as easy as it looks. I bet you build your own pc's and like Linux. The data is in 6 or 7 different locations and actually 20 quids worth of software doesn't actually cut the mustard.

If you can do it for 20 notes and it will pass main dealer tests pm your details with references or does it just work on your escort...

Edited by Greg Bowman, 19 February 2012 - 06:06 PM.

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#12 libspero

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 06:08 PM

Funnily enough I went to look at a second hand car with a friend a few weeks ago (Suzuki Swift). It was three years old and had about 15k on the clock.

It just looked wrong. the pedals seemed worn for such a low mileage car, both front tyres needed replacing and the cabin had a feel of being more worn than any other cars we had looked at of a similar age/usage.

We were suspicious (and needless to say we didn't buy it), but I thought this practice died out years ago with mechanical odometer. :unsure:

Edited by libspero, 19 February 2012 - 06:09 PM.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 06:19 PM

i would say more than 50% are clocked, its just people buy the cars and dont want to accept it until they've sold it on so the whole clocking thing is unreported in the main........

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 06:21 PM

Not as easy as it looks. I bet you build your own pc's and like Linux. The data is in 6 or 7 different locations and actually 20 quids worth of software doesn't actually cut the mustard.

If you can do it for 20 notes and it will pass main dealer tests pm your details with references or does it just work on your escort...


Actually bought this the self diagnose a BMW E46 fault code rather than take it to a stealership. Turned out to be two problems, faulty inlet camshaft sensor and sticky fly by wire throttle.

Diagnosed and fixed both problems myself for parts only. and yes have built my own PC's since 1996. Did use this to play with the odometer mileage (works on my 06 honda civic too!) but just removed a few 100 miles as a test to see if it worked.

But as for the Key area and the ECU and where ever else the mileage is recorded (Urban myth on internet says milaeage on post 2001 cars is stored in 4-5 places within the car!!) I did not spend any time looking for any other mileage areas to be accessed.

But i'm sure you could by the software if you wanted that level of detail, might cost a few 100 quid though.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 06:21 PM

Funnily enough I went to look at a second hand car with a friend a few weeks ago (Suzuki Swift). It was three years old and had about 15k on the clock.

It just looked wrong. the pedals seemed worn for such a low mileage car, both front tyres needed replacing and the cabin had a feel of being more worn than any other cars we had looked at of a similar age/usage.

We were suspicious (and needless to say we didn't buy it), but I thought this practice died out years ago with mechanical odometer. :unsure:


It's not a common as it once was. I've had one complaint which was justified in 5 years. Although I have known of a few large scale clockers.




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