[Si1]

current gripes - Cameron went to Eton that's not fair

I'm a socialist and have socialist ideals (also a GP who earns more money than anyone else he knows but all the same worth fighting for)

I'm working class (same guy) so I am fighting for my ideals

Cameron's a toffee nosed eton-goer

etc

[mrmagooisagovteconomist]

Normal theme for healthcare workers, I did a job last year for a guy who was suprised that I dont agree with the labour view and in fact blame them for a lot of the current malaise, que socialist/i grew up in Birkenhead went to state school etc rant then wifey pipes in cant beleeeve you agree with tory scum etc. What do you think their income is as he owns/manages 8 other doctors in his new labour minted doctors centre and shes a sociologist for the NHS, live in a 850 k properdee and send their kids to yes a private school ! No altruistic use of their funds whatso ever, proper nu lab socialists !

[Tiger Woods?]

Si1, on 26 December 2011 - 07:40 PM, said:

current gripes - Cameron went to Eton that's not fair

I'm a socialist and have socialist ideals (also a GP who earns more money than anyone else he knows but all the same worth fighting for)

I'm working class (same guy) so I am fighting for my ideals

Cameron's a toffee nosed eton-goer

etc

Socialism is great if you are a commissar. Doesn't mean you can't be envious of one of the inner party though, does it?

Most of the socialists I have met, of the ilk you describe, have been firmly attached to one of the better teats on the state sow. Regardless of whether it is naivete', or how they deal with their cognitive dissonance, they still piss me off.

This post has been edited by Tiger Woods?: 26 December 2011 - 09:17 PM

[JohnLennon]

Every time one of the retards starts going on about 'Tory Cuts' I just say 'Labour Debts' even louder

Labour Supports are notoriously thick and hate being caught out by 'basic fcking logic'


When they start trying to blame Thatcher you know you have won, but all is lost.

[plummet expert]

JohnLennon, on 26 December 2011 - 09:05 PM, said:

Every time one of the retards starts going on about 'Tory Cuts' I just say 'Labour Debts' even louder

Labour Supports are notoriously thick and hate being caught out by 'basic fcking logic'


When they start trying to blame Thatcher you know you have won, but all is lost.

Some people think that a simple redistribution of wealth is a complete answer. There is so much more to it that it's hard to explain to these people. It used to be that state employment was often vocational work and included pension provision becase the pay was lower than the private sector. But not under New Labour! It became a better wage and still with a free pension on top! The public sector became more than half the economy and therefore impossible to afford as most of it does not directly create wealth.
When Brown borrowed an extra £40 bn to pump up the NHS and Education budget in 2000 I knew it would come to this mess we are in. IT was shown to have 95% ended up in wages and fewer improvements than intended.
Mrs T hatcher was right about a great deal, but still she had a housing boom under Lawson and failed to notice the manufcaturing base being replaced by the casino City. Not good on that front. Then after a tentative start more and far worse under 'no more boom and bust' Brown.

[georgia o'keeffe]

plummet expert, on 27 December 2011 - 10:04 AM, said:

Some people think that a simple redistribution of wealth is a complete answer. There is so much more to it that it's hard to explain to these people. It used to be that state employment was often vocational work and included pension provision becase the pay was lower than the private sector. But not under New Labour! It became a better wage and still with a free pension on top! The public sector became more than half the economy and therefore impossible to afford as most of it does not directly create wealth.
When Brown borrowed an extra £40 bn to pump up the NHS and Education budget in 2000 I knew it would come to this mess we are in. IT was shown to have 95% ended up in wages and fewer improvements than intended.
Mrs T hatcher was right about a great deal, but still she had a housing boom under Lawson and failed to notice the manufcaturing base being replaced by the casino City. Not good on that front. Then after a tentative start more and far worse under 'no more boom and bust' Brown.

Failed to notice the manufacturing base being replaced by casino banking, behave she drove it forward as did Brown. The public sector has clearly been governed under diametric opinions the last 30 years, the private sector however has been governed under a consistent policy of debt expansion via mortgages, personal credit and debt advantage over equity from a tax perspective for 3 decades with all parties incentivising this through taxation policy on debt and the sale of housing assets below market value to get the debt flowing, this is the inevitable conclusion of such a misguided policy but the private sector policy has clearly not changed at any point in that time, the tories are running the same Brownian/Thatcherite private debt policy even as we speak onwards and upwards.

To argue there is more than a rizla between Labour and the Tories on the private economy and private debt expansion is nothing more than blinded party bias. The public sector policy and stasi Labourite social policy are however a different thing entirely

This post has been edited by Tamara De Lempicka: 27 December 2011 - 10:27 AM

[Si1]

indeed, the ones with most to lose - i think often in terms of status - seem to be squealing the most

[Superted187]

"Margaret Thatcher ruined this country!"

"Weren't you 5 years old when she left office?"

*SILENCE*

[Chuffy Chuffnell]

My rule is that whenever Thatcher is blamed for something (that is clearly an issue of the present day/could have been dealt with by Labour in their 13 years) I regard the argument as ended and I just ignore the person.

[John51]

This usually stumps them:

Labour for the masses, tories for the toffs. Way more masses than toffs...so how come labour doesn't win every election by a landslide?

[leigh delamere]

John51, on 29 January 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:

This usually stumps them:

Labour for the masses, tories for the toffs. Way more masses than toffs...so how come labour doesn't win every election by a landslide?

Because the Tories control the press?

Have much more funding from rich backers to propagate their propaganda?

Because when Labour have been in office people need someone to blame other than themselves when it all goes wrong?

Fundamentally, because it is easier to divide and rule than to unite and...something.

[Si1]

leigh delamere, on 29 January 2012 - 10:42 AM, said:

Because the Tories control the press?

err

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Have much more funding from rich backers to propagate their propaganda?

you mean didn't go bankrupt due to utter financial and strategic stupidity

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Because when Labour have been in office people need someone to blame other than themselves when it all goes wrong?

ahh - it wasn't the socialist idiots' fault - it was the peoples'! Hallelujah!

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Fundamentally, because it is easier to divide and rule than to unite and...something.

what?