[ska_mna]

Caveat Mortgagor, on 20 October 2011 - 02:27 PM, said:

For 13 years we had a government that concentrated on wealth distribution and creating wealth got overlooked. Indded the effects of distribution made it harder for creators.

I'd probably disagree with that. They thought they'd found the golden faucet of wealth creation (finance) and spent accordingly. Their biggest mistake (as has been the mistake of most governments of the West of all political colours) was to put all their faith in the financial industry as biggest driver of wealth creation. Whether they were complicit or just plain ignorant is the question. I think the latter is possibly more likely and indeed more scary; pure incompetence and lack of long term economic nous. I mean if you truly saw all those tax bills coming in from the fantastic finance industry you'd possibly start spending like there was no tomorrow too.... whoohoo we're rich!!

[South Lorne]

anotherpointlessnamechange, on 20 October 2011 - 12:12 PM, said:

What is it with so many teachers? That's exactly how they are.

..they have never left school...never grown up ...forever they are arrogant teenagers....

[roadtoruin]

anotherpointlessnamechange, on 20 October 2011 - 12:54 PM, said:

Military coup? Electoral fraud? No wait, 3 landslide election victories

Not my fault, gov'ner, too young

If 42% can be considered a landslide. Not that labour's 'landslide' was any more democratic than that, but just sayin'...

[Austin Allegro]

Of all the teachers that I have had, many were 'good teachers' in the sense that they could instil knowledge mechanically, but only one or two were genuine 'liberal educators' in the sense that they were able to consider things from different perspectives and transcend whatever dogma was fashionable at the time.

It's part of the wider problem of the liberal/left's domination of culture in the west; indeed I would say state school teachers are a kind of high priesthood of liberal/left dogma. The basic problem is this: the liberal left have discovered a kind of political perpetual-motion machine. They can be incredibly reactionary and conservative but at the same time be convinced that they are 'progressive' and 'the nice party'. Right wingers know their policies are unpopular and tough and have to defend them via analysis and argument; the left generally seem incapable of this, in my experience. Just weeks after the Coalition took power, the left were attacking 'tory cuts' as if it had nothing to do with 13 years of their own policies. None so blind as those that cannot see.

[PopGun]

Resolute Labour supporters are the same as staunch right wing Tories and die hard liberals, i.e. thick as pig $hit.

[Badlad1967]

PopGun, on 20 October 2011 - 03:49 PM, said:

Resolute Labour supporters are the same as staunch right wing Tories and die hard liberals, i.e. thick as pig $hit.

Yep - I agree with this to a point - although I feel it is more ingrained with Labour supporters. Almost like a religion. Puking out the bits they like to make a point while conveniently ignoring the "other" facts.......

[Timak]

Anyone who "supports" a political party like they do a football team is generally a bit stupid.

Anyone who thinks there is any significant difference between the political parties or that the political class acts in the interest of normal people is also a bit stupid.

[Caveat Mortgagor]

ska_mna, on 20 October 2011 - 02:44 PM, said:

I'd probably disagree with that. They thought they'd found the golden faucet of wealth creation (finance) and spent accordingly. Their biggest mistake (as has been the mistake of most governments of the West of all political colours) was to put all their faith in the financial industry as biggest driver of wealth creation. Whether they were complicit or just plain ignorant is the question. I think the latter is possibly more likely and indeed more scary; pure incompetence and lack of long term economic nous. I mean if you truly saw all those tax bills coming in from the fantastic finance industry you'd possibly start spending like there was no tomorrow too.... whoohoo we're rich!!

You made the same mistake they did.

Its not wealth creation. It re-distribution. From future to now. From proles to Banksters. From young to the boomers.

This post has been edited by Caveat Mortgagor: 20 October 2011 - 04:29 PM

[Maynardgravy]

Timak, on 20 October 2011 - 03:54 PM, said:

Anyone who "supports" a political party like they do a football team is generally a bit stupid.

Anyone who thinks there is any significant difference between the political parties or that the political class acts in the interest of normal people is also a bit stupid.

Yes... I have no shame in admitting that I voted Blair in. I was duped into thinking they had a fairer society in mind. I haven't voted since. Those people on here though that consider themselves 'Tory' want to consider what life would be like without the old union-backed labour movement at all.

Of course most would have perished up chimneys in infancy.

[winkie]

Si1, on 20 October 2011 - 12:23 PM, said:

whilst at the same time earning twice what those that DO earn

...there are some very good teachers, and some not so good....but as they say if you are on to a good thing, stick with it whether you are good at it or not...imo only the good teachers should be teaching...the not so good cause far more harm than good.

[georgia o'keeffe]

Labour party supporters.....

are as cretinous as tory party supporters, they share a common ground in myopia to the debt/credit/economic cycle but whilst that myopia exists both parties are sound in as much as they have a voting foundation and thats all you need in such a comediacally undemocratic system* as the UK

*which can only reflect on the quality of voter


mmmm beer.....mmmm blue......mmmm red.... mmmm orange.......mmm green...... mmmm peuce with a hint of lilac

This post has been edited by Tamara De Lempicka: 20 October 2011 - 06:08 PM

[the shaping machine]

plummet expert, on 20 October 2011 - 02:40 PM, said:

You might consider this. Until 2010, NO labour administration in the history of the Labour movement EVER left office with lower unemployment than they inherited.

Are you sure about the "until 2010" bit?

This graph suggests their record continues :-

unemployment

This post has been edited by the shaping machine: 20 October 2011 - 06:37 PM

[ska_mna]

Caveat Mortgagor, on 20 October 2011 - 04:29 PM, said:

You made the same mistake they did.

Its not wealth creation. It re-distribution. From future to now. From proles to Banksters. From young to the boomers.

Yup!

[South Lorne]

PopGun, on 20 October 2011 - 03:49 PM, said:

Resolute Labour supporters are the same as staunch right wing Tories and die hard liberals, i.e. thick as pig $hit.

...yes..I suppose it's an extremist's excuse....although they don't know it....

[out2lunch]

There are gentlemen, and there are politicians.

Alastair Darling (Labour) is one of the few gentlemen at the Houses of Parliament who came out and told the truth, well against the main party view, that the recession "would only last 6 months", back in 2008. Quote; "The worst financial crisis in 60 years." Daniel Hannan (Conservative), and Nigel Farage (UKIP), I'll add to the list.