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Hpc Indices: Early Indicators For House Prices Combi-5 & DPI, lead Halifax & Rightmove Rate Topic: ****- 1 Votes

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 10:35 AM

HPC's "Downward Pressure" and "5-Builder" Indices:
(HousePriceCycle's Experimental v2.1, includes: WMPY, BDEV, PSN, WLB, and BBY)

Wouldn't it be great if you could sum of the probability of a HP crash in a single Figure?

. . . . 5-Builder Index adjusted for FTSE moves shows:
Posted Image
. . . . (If the Blue lines continues to fall, it shows sentiment towards Property
. . . . owning is declining, and Property Indices may follow it down.)

WHAT DOES THIS chart represent? Does it tell us anything about the future?

Wouldn't it be great if you could get an advance indication of the various House Price Indices on a daily basis, weeks before the Official indices are released. And, how would you like to see a technical method which sums up, an a single figure, the pressure pushing UK property lower or higher?

Well there is an Indicator that I have been working to create... which may do that.
The system that I have developed involves looking at the stock charts for Five UK Homebuilders, and measuring how "bearish" the charts look in relation to moving averages. The stocks involved are UK Builders: Wimpey (WMPY), Barratt (BDEV), Persimmon (PSN), Wilson Bowden (WLB), and Balfour Beatty (BBY).

First, I add up all five stock prices, to arrive at a total for the Five Builders. At the end of 2004, the combined total was 3,143. By the end of July 2005, the total had reached 3,444- an increase of 9.6%. It is not so easy to compare this directly with the House Price Indices, so I convert these raw total figures into an "5-Combi" Index, by dividing each figure by the end Dec.2003 amount (2,680), and then multiplying by 100, to get an index which has a 100.0 value at the end of 2003. This method of calculation, gives me an index figure of 117.28 for Dec.2004, and 128.51 for the end of July 2005. These figures can now be readily compared with published index figures, in this example the figures are from Rightmove:

Here's the chart comparing these indices since the end of 2001:
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This measure does not go far enough. Some of the increase in the price of the Builder share prices is due to a general increase in buying appetite for stocks in general, and I want to compensate for this influence also. Thus, I add an adjustment for the level of the FTSE. I calculate another index, which is the current level of the FTSE, divided by the FTSE level at Dec.2003 (4,477). This shows me how much the average stock the FTSE has increased or decreased. I then take the Combi.Index and DIVIDE it by the FTSE index. Results are shown on the following table:


Month= 5-Builders, 5-Combi FTSE:index 5c/Ft: London, Index : Eng.&W, Index
12/2001 : 2,018 . ,. 74.59 5217=116.5. 64.6: 212,900. 82.3 : 127,882. 74.8
12/2002 : 1,942 . ,. 72.46 3940= 88.0. 82.3: 259,001 100.2 : 156,084. 91.2
12/2003 : 2,680 . , 100.00 4477=100.0 100.0: 258,571 100.0 : 171,055 100.0
06/2004 : 2,915 . , 108.77 4464= 99.7 109.1: 288,385 111.5 : 193,965 113.4
12/2004 : 3,143 . , 117.28 5113=114.2 111.1: 274,343 106.1 : 189,733 110.9
07/2005 : 3,444 . , 128.51 5282=118.0 108.9: 284,887 110.2 : 196,282 114.7

If you look back at the chart at the top of the Header, you will see that the adjusted Combi-5 index correlates with the Property price indices, and even tends to lead by about 2-3 months.

Finally, I want to get an idea of the current trend. To measure how the stocks look technically on charts, I also calculate what I call, a "Downward Pressure Index". To get this: For each stock, I compile a figure from 0 to 20, with 20 being a FULL RED signal, where that stock is trading below its 1month moving average, the stock below its 12month moving average, and the stock has been trading down long enough that the two moving averages have rolled over and the 1month moving average has fallen below the 12 months. In others words, the stock has shown a sharp drop, not just a dip. If all 5 stocks are at Full Red, then the DPI index would have a score of 100/100, ie 100%.

To see how this DPI works, let's see how the measure worked in a recent week.

Following is a list of the Five companies in th Combined Builder's Index and the DPI:
SYM. Company=== (Low - High) Last : Score*
WMPY Wimpey......... (334 - 495p) 399p : - 9
BDEV Barratt Dev..... (477 - 741p) 672p : - 5
PSN- Persimmon...... (586 - 837p) 801p : - 0
WLB- Wilson Bowden (950 -1273)1118p: - 2
BBY- Balfour Beatty.. (250 - 362p) 333p : - 5
-----------------------
Combined 5 Builders ...Totals... 3,323 /DPI -18
- - -
*Scoring Key: Add up the following, if they apply:
0: Stock above both 1mo & 1year MAs....... (score: 0)
2: Stock below 1mo/21d MA ..................... (score: 2)
3: 21d MA is moving lower ....................... (score: 3)
4: 21d MA has crossed below 252d MA....... (score: 4)
5: Stock below 1yr/252d MA ..................... (score: 5)
6: 252d MA is moving lower ...................... (score: 6)

Full RED! .: If ALL if the above apply......... (score: 20)

MA : Moving Average: 1month=21 days / 1year=252 days
= = =

Note: This system was originally developed for an S-Pig thread,
to show the Bulls over there the value of tracking Builder stock prices.
And the system was changed since first posted here

To use it, it is necessary to refer to the stock charts of Five UK Builders:
WMPY : BDEV : PSN : WLB : BBY

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Tracking thread: http://www.advfn.com...php3?id=9666629

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 10:36 AM

Some have asked, so here it is:

CHART EXPLANATION
(OK. For those that would like an explanation, just below is the simplest chart that I am capable of posting.)

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Here is my explanation:

THIS CHART shows trading history over the past two years of Wimpey (WMPY), which I believe to be the largest Homebuilder in the UK, and I often take their chart as a bellwether fro the sector.

Here are some key points:

+ The black lines in the Upper section, show the Daily trading history: Open, high, low, and close. But on a time frame of this length, they get obscured as black lines. I prefer thsi type of chart to a simpler chart of only closing prices, because on this type of chart you can see the intraday highs and low, which I like to know.

+ The High for the period was about 495p in Feb.2005

+ The Low for the period was about 302p in Nov.2003

+ There was a recent high at about 465p at end of June, which could prove the "Right Shoulder" before a deeper fall.

+ The most recent important Lows were a "Double Bottom" at 375p in February and May 2005. This level should prove support for the current fall (if it gets that low.) And if this is broken, that would be a strong "Bearish" indication.

...ONTO the Moving Averages...

+ The Blue Line is the 21day Moving Average. Since there are an average of 21 trading days in a month, this can also be taken as the One Month moving average, (I score "5 points" if the end-of-month closing price is below this.)

+ The Yellow Line is the 252day Moving Average, which repressent the average number of trading days in the average Calendar year. (I score "7 points" if the end-of-month closing price is below this.)

+ When the Blue Line crosses below the Yellow line, the monthly average has fallen below the One Year average, which is a sign of a possible trend change. (I score "8 points" when this happens.)

+ FULL RED down for an individual stock is: when all three happen at the end of a month: The close is below the 1month, below the 1year, and the Blue Line is below the Yellow. (That is worth: 5+7+8 = 20 points)

I HOPE that explains the system.

== == ==
Here's the Historical Data...

R-Move WMPY BDEV== PSN-== WLB-=== BBY-== : TotL Ipts


N .. 185- 4 366- 0 322- 0. 754-11 179- 0 =
D .. 220- 0 424- 0 384- 0. 805- 0 166-14 :=1999-14
J'02 228- 0 415- 3 388- 3. 838- 0 207- 0 : 2076- 6
F .. 266- 0 450- 0 431- 0. 887- 0 233- 0 : 2267- 0
M .. 276- 0 476- 0 423- 2. 911- 0 213- 5 : 2299- 7
A .. 291- 0 480- 0 453- 0. 938- 0 268- 0 : 2437- 0
M .. 289- 5 460- 5 440- 5. 884- 3 242- 5 : 2315-13
J .. 268- 5 420- 5 398- 5. 870- 3 233- 3 : 2189-21
Jl . 244- 5 352-14 384- 7. 796- 9 191-14 : 1967-49
A .. 287- 0 420- 5 456- 0. 917- 0 197-12 : 2277-17
S .. 287- 2 423- 2 443- 5. 852- 5 139-20 : 2144-34
O .. 263- 5 406- 9 424- 5. 834-14 163- 9 : 2116-42
N .. 240- 9 405-14 415-12. 796 14 165 15 : 2021 64 N ..
D .. 255- 9 390- 9 423- 5. 728 20 146 18 : 1942 61 D ..
J'03 246-14 372-20 418-10. 700-20 160-15 : 1896-79 J'03
F .. 270- 9 407-15 450- 0. 779-15 156-17 : 2062-56 F ..
M .. 238-20 390-17 377-20. 764-20 147-20 : 1916-97 M ..
A .. 242-17 406-15 403-15. 854- 6 188- 6 : 2093-59 A ..
M .. 284- 5 470- 0 467- 0. 908- 0 197- 6 : 2326-11 M ..
J .. 283- 2 430- 5 474- 2. 960- 0 195-11 : 2342-20 J ..
Jl . 342- 0 484- 0 532- 0. 979- 0 186- 7 : 2523- 7 Jl .
A .. 390- 0 518- 0 572- 0 1061- 0 216- 6 : 2757- 6 A ..
S .. 364- 5 508- 5 539- 5 1050- 5 202- 5 : 2663-25 S ..
O .. 325- 5 476- 5 462- 5. 960- 5 200- 5 : 2423-25 O ..
N .. 340- 0 485- 0 466- 0. 978- 0 217- 0 : 2486- 0 N ..
D .. 371- 0 538- 0 530- 0 1028- 0 213- 5 : 2680- 5 D ..
J'04 358- 0 509- 0 540- 0. 945- 5 231- 0 : 2583- 5 J'04
F .. 385- 0 555- 0 572- 0 1090- 0 248- 0 : 2850- 0 F ..
M .. 436- 0 622- 0 692- 0 1056- 0 260- 2 : 3066- 2 M ..
A .. 418- 5 627- 0 662- 5 1092- 5 255- 5 : 3054-20 A ..
M .. 368- 9 572- 5 600- 5 1034- 5 248- 5 : 2822-29 M ..
J .. 375- 6 587- 0 623- 0 1063- 0 267- 0 : 2915- 6 J ..
Jl . 370- 9 561- 3 585- 5. 983- 0 267- 2 : 2766-19 Jl .
A .. 414- 0 581- 0 667- 0 1114- 3 263- 3 : 3039- 6 A ..
S .. 403- 5 564- 5 660- 5 1076- 5 277- 0 : 2980-20 S ..
O .. 350-14 503-14 616- 5. 974-14 273- 5 : 2716-52 O ..
N .. 357- 9 514-14 616- 5. 976-12 304- 0 : 2767-40 N ..
D .. 405- 0 595= 0 688- 0 1140- 0 315- 0 : 3143- 0: xxxx% /117.28 4814/109.07

R-Move WMPY BDEV== PSN-== WLB-=== BBY-== : Tot.Ipt: Gilt% / 26.80 /FTSE x4477
J'05 412- 0 603- 0 692- 0 1138- 0 340- 0 : 3185- 0: 4.60% /118.84 4852/109.66
F .. 471- 0 672- 0 778- 0 1234- 0 320- 5 : 3475- 5: 4.74% /129.66 4969/117.02
M .. 447- 5 660- 5 768- 2 1186- 5 313- 5 : 3374-22: 4.74% /125.90 4894/115.17
A .. 389- 9 593- 5 676- 5 1076- 9 303- 5 : 3037-33: 4.53% /113.32 4802/105.65
M .. 431- 8 660- 0 750- 0 1147- 0 322- 0 : 3310- 8: 4.39% /123.51 4964/111.39
J .. 439- 2 716- 0 780- 2 1135- 5 330- 0 : 3400- 9: 4.19% /126.87 5113/111.09
Jl . 426- 5 720- 0 800- 0 1150- 5 348- 0 : 3444-10: 4.29% /128.51 5282/108.92
A .. 410- 7 707- 3 829- 0 1139- 0 331- 5 : 3416-15: 4.14% /127.54 5329/107.14
Fridays:
A19. 399- 9 672- 5 801- 0 1118- 2 333- 5 : 3323-18: 4.27% /123.99 5311/104.51
A26. 414- 7 702- 3 846- 0 1146- 3 331- 5 : 3439-15: 4.22% /128.32 5228/109.89.
S02. 417- 4 700- 3 821- 0 1131- 0 326- 5 : 3395-12: 4.14% /126.68 5329/106.43

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 11:01 AM

BACK-TESTING...

I may Back Test this system for signals at the end of each Month,
if anyone is interested.

It would take a fair amount of work, so what do you think?
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Posted 13 August 2005 - 11:37 AM

The Figures would run something like this...

Mon : WMPY / BDEV / PSN- / WLB- / BBY- = Total
.O.
.N. : 8-357/ 8-514/ 0-616/ 8-976/ 0-304 = 24-2767
.D. : 0-405/ 8-595/ 0-688/ 01140/ 0-315 = 08-3143
..
.J. : 0-439/ 0-716/ 0-780/ 51135/ 0-330 = 05-3400
.Jl : 5-426/ 0-720/ 0-800/ 01150/ 0-348 = 05-3444
Now :12-392/ 5-682/ 5-783/121081/ 5-337 = 39-3275

Notice that,
THE AVERAGE stock price is higher than year end,
But it is off the peak reached in July, and so prices have slipped back below the moving averages. This allows the indicator to flash WARNING signs.

In August, there has been a rather sharp shift downwards to 3275, -4.9%,
with the Warning Index jumping to 39 points in only 2-3 weeks.

WHEREAS, the Overall indicator fell to only 5 points, at the end of 2004

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 12:05 PM

Dr Bubb.

I like to look at all these charts, I really do... But Please, please can you provide a simple explanation of what all these lines mean. I fear your message is being lost (on me certainly!)

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 12:22 PM

Doc,

In effect you're saying RED! is a clear signal to short?

Construction as a sector has started to fall even against recent rises in the underlying FTSE index. If the FTSE were to pullback, then I'd like to think builders would go south in a big way.

My BDEV short is now in the black - phew!

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 12:32 PM

I agree - Dr Bubb could you post a brief expos on the lines for those of us with no exposure to technical analysis.. Thanks

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 12:56 PM

DrBubb,

I'd say don't bother being particularly serious about tracking this, an odd post like this one when something interesting happens will be a better use of your time.

Builders' valuations are interesting, no doubt.
But I think you'll agree that if anything, they are a lagging indicator of the percieved health of the housing market.

Also, new builds are just one piece of the puzzle (although I couldn't agree more with your prediction that the 2bed/2bath-with-panoramic-roundabout-views-aimed-at-baby-boomer-btls will be the epicentre of the coming crash).
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Posted 13 August 2005 - 01:21 PM

Hmmm...

The more I look at this, the more relevant that I think it may be.
In edit, I have changed, and updated the figures in my Post#2.

I am particularly fascinated by this:
Mon : WMPY / BDEV / PSN- / WLB- / BBY- = Total
.Jl : 5-426/ 0-720/ 0-800/ 01150/ 0-348 = 05-3444
Now :12-392/ 5-682/ 5-783/121081/ 5-337 = 39-3275

Here is why:
The drop in the Total Value of five Builder stocks, is from 3,444p to 3,275p,
that is a fall of 4.9% in only three weeks. And the news background was: a rate cut!

I think what was going on was that the Builders rose in the summer on the HOPE for a rate cut. When it came, it failed to ignite buying interest in the sector. So those that bought, hoping the magic would come back were disappointed, and they are selling now. The inflation figues annnounced in the middle of the week, with the BoE coming out afterwards and saying there was little scope for future rate cuts, must have be have been a further disappointment.

The same psychology, disappointment over market reaction must be happening amongst Estate Agents. Due to the lack of transparency and EA spin, Property investor sentiment is hard to track. Which is why the Builder index is so valuable.

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 02:15 PM

(post the above comment on S-Pig, and added):

"- - -
WITH THIS warning light now flashing Yellow,
let us see if it makes it to Red or Full Red, and let us see how long thereafter,
the General Property market follows into the 1% monthly drops.

Maybe you are all wise to stick with your property investments,
but when I see I can make over 35% in under a month in my stock oriented
trading (in one of my larger accounts), there is certainly no need for me to
struggle to fight the headwinds in a weak property market"
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Posted 13 August 2005 - 02:21 PM

UH,

Your:
"In effect you're saying RED! is a clear signal to short?"

(No. This is not a signal for shorting. It is meant to be a signal for sentiment in the general UK Residential property market, since that is the core business of the Five UK Builders)

"My BDEV short is now in the black - phew!"

(I know. Shorting takes patience. I have made money shorting BDEV and coverimg earlier this year. But on this latest BDEV rally, I shorted in two main waves. My first wave of shorts is still underwater, and I have had to write a margin-call cheque: Just before I went on holiday when the BDEV price surged to 730p+: I was not amused. But with the drop since early August, my second wave of shorts is in profit, and I am in a position to ask for that margin cheque back.

I does take patience, and deep pockets sometimes)

= =

Ides,

I will shortly post a chart with fewer lines, and a short explanation

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Post icon  Posted 13 August 2005 - 02:31 PM

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 03:03 PM

DATA BASE...

Tells an interesting, and an accurate story, I think ...

Historical Count
Mon : WMPY / BDEV / PSN- / WLB- / BBY - = Total P
.s. : 5-366/ 5-506/ 5-538/ 51050/ 5-202 = 20-2666
.D. : 0-371/ 0-538/ 0-530/ 01028/ 5-208 = 05-2675
J04 : 5-358/ 5-509/ 0-540/ 0-945/ 0-231 = 15-2583
.F. : 0-385/ 0-555/ 0-572/ 01090/ 0-248 = 00-2850
.M. : 0-436/ 0-622/ 0-692/ 01056/ 0-260 = 00-3066
.A. : 5-418/ 0-627/ 5-662/ 51092/ 5-255 = 20-3057
.M. : 0-368/ 5-572/ 5-600/ 51034/ 5-248 = 20-2822
.J. : 0-375/ 0-587/ 0-623/ 01063/ 0-267 = 00-2915
.Jl : 5-370/ 0-561/ 5-585/20-983/ 5-267 = 35-2766
.A. : 0-414/ 0-581/ 0-667/ 81114/ 0-263 = 08-3039
.S. : 5-403/ 5-564/ 5-660/ 51076/ 0-277 = 20-2980
.O. :20-350/20-503/ 5-616/20-974/ 5-273 = 70-2747
.N. : 8-357/ 8-514/ 0-616/ 8-976/ 0-304 = 24-2767
.D. : 0-405/ 8-595/ 0-688/ 01140/ 0-315 = 08-3143
J05 : 0-412/ 0-603/ 0-692/ 01138/ 0-340 = 00-3185
.F. : 0-471/ 0-672/ 0-778/ 01234/ 0-320 = 00-3475
.M. : 5-447/ 0-660/ 5-768/ 51186/ 5-313 = 20-3374
.A. :12-389/ 5-593/ 5-676/121076/ 5-303 = 39-3037
.M. : 8-431/ 0-660/ 0-750/ 01147/ 0-322 = 08-3310
.J. : 0-439/ 0-716/ 0-780/ 51135/ 0-330 = 05-3400
.Jl : 5-426/ 0-720/ 0-800/ 01150/ 0-348 = 05-3444
A12 :12-392/ 5-682/ 5-783/121081/ 5-337 = 39-3275
.A. :

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IT IS FUNNY,
How as soon as you post a chart, no one bothers to read the text /or comment.
How very odd.

Probably there are no professional traders here, if no one can read that rather
obvious chart. A support line, is a straight line BTW. That is really all you need
to look at. That and the price data

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 03:26 PM

(explanation: moved to post #2)
= = =

Here's another chart: Persimmon (PSN)

Posted Image

In this case, the 1year MA has stopped all the downward moves. Perhaps when this support is finally broken, it will confirm that the uptrend has really broken, and we are into the bear market slide, with 1% per month (or larger) drops

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 04:30 PM

Cape Fear,
Your:
"Builders' valuations are interesting, no doubt.
But I think you'll agree that if anything, they are a lagging indicator of the percieved health of the housing market."

Actually, I do not agree.
Generally, stock prices ANTICIPATE changes in the market, rather than lagging behind and moving with reported earnings.

What I like about stock prices, is that they are a REAL TIME measure of sentiment. They are observable WITHOUT SPIN, and with no lags. So I think they will give a sign of a break in the market WELL BEFORE we see it in Rightmove or Halifax figures.

AVING gone through the time-consuming exercise of compiling this data, i now intend to use it.

Maybe we can create a HPC CRASH WARNING index, using this data?
There was a big warning last October, when the index hit an unprecedented 70%, but the market pulled back from the brink, and recovered. That recovery was signalled by a rally in the stock prices of the 5-Builders
"I live on HPC!" Actually, that's not true anymore. I now live "on the other side" ... of the planet.

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