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Posted 09 February 2010 - 09:08 PM

There have been a spate of articles recently outlining real house price falls or reasons to believe that house prices will start falling. These articles have reported the figures, but they have not been headline news. On the contrary 'House prices rise for seventh consecutive month' is quite a common headline of late (despite real house prices having fallen in December according to Nationwide, when you remove the seasonal adjustment).

A couple of articles of note:

http://www.independe...ks-1891034.html

states that the house builder Bellway has seen its selling prices fall in the last 6 months

http://www.timesonli...icle7020259.ece

states that 'Trading in January 2010 saw a substantial increase in average spend per advertiser....because each agent was advertising more properties for sale'

or

http://www.telegraph...big-freeze.html

which reports that 20% of estate agents saw a fall in the number of buyers in January, compared to a rise of 18% in the previous month.

It all amounts to the spin the collective press want to give at a particular time. You could spin the above into headlines like:

'House buying sentiment drops by record amount in January'
'Builder sees plunging house prices in last 6 months of 2009'
'Substantial increase of properties being marketing leads to increased fears of double dip in house prices'

My tip - look at the figures and analyse. Ignore the hyperbole.

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 11:07 PM

View PostAnalysis, on 09 February 2010 - 09:08 PM, said:

There have been a spate of articles recently outlining real house price falls or reasons to believe that house prices will start falling. These articles have reported the figures, but they have not been headline news. On the contrary 'House prices rise for seventh consecutive month' is quite a common headline of late (despite real house prices having fallen in December according to Nationwide, when you remove the seasonal adjustment).

A couple of articles of note:

http://www.independe...ks-1891034.html

states that the house builder Bellway has seen its selling prices fall in the last 6 months

http://www.timesonli...icle7020259.ece

states that 'Trading in January 2010 saw a substantial increase in average spend per advertiser....because each agent was advertising more properties for sale'

or

http://www.telegraph...big-freeze.html

which reports that 20% of estate agents saw a fall in the number of buyers in January, compared to a rise of 18% in the previous month.

It all amounts to the spin the collective press want to give at a particular time. You could spin the above into headlines like:

'House buying sentiment drops by record amount in January'
'Builder sees plunging house prices in last 6 months of 2009'
'Substantial increase of properties being marketing leads to increased fears of double dip in house prices'

My tip - look at the figures and analyse. Ignore the hyperbole.


Wise words - which are in the main ignored by bulls whose main lines of argument tend to be:

1. House prices have been rising therefore they will continue to do so.
OR
2. You can't loose with property - House prices only ever go up.
OR
3. Britain is overcrowded so the demand will always outstrip supply?

From my own visits to this forum, I've found that anyone in possession of actual facts tends to be bearish - whilst bulls tends to cite as their evidence any Daily Express HPI related headline. Make of that what you will ;)
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 02:33 PM

1. House prices have been rising therefore they will continue to do so. :rolleyes:

2. You can't loose with property - House prices only ever go up. :rolleyes: :D

3. Britain is overcrowded so the demand will always outstrip supply? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D

Er..... Only 7 - 8% of the land is actually built on....... Take a look at Google Earth/Maps with satellite tab on.... Or fly over Britain... Even on this crowded island - there is PLENTY of space actually... BUT there ARE too many people......
What the media today are still not telling us in full - for some reason the lid is being kept on the whole story:
HERE IN THE UK: THE UK SUB-PRIME CATASTROPHE - IT IS NOT ONLY IN AMERICA!! THE UK LIAR LOAN INDUSTRY - Source of FICTITIOUS "MONEY", and the principle driver of the House "Price" Pyramid/Ponzi Scam & Bubble, the "Credit Crunch" - and an unacknowledged major part of and cause of the ensuing Worldwide Financial Crash.
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The following was reported in a superb documentary in late 2003 - This is now nearly 7 years ago! Since then little has been done here in the UK to dig down deep on this vast elephant in the room: Why? If you're a serious journalist - here's your story - start investigating - it is the biggest financial scandal of all time:


Mortgage customers 'urged to lie' - All this was way back in 2003 by the way!!
Housebuyers are being encouraged to break the law in order to obtain huge mortgages, the BBC has discovered. Brokers, and even banking staff, have been telling buyers to lie about their incomes to get bigger and bigger loans. And these underhand tactics could also be the reason why house prices have gone on rising for so long.
CLICK HERE - http://news.bbc.co.u...ess/3222053.stm

"Could you believe that a bank would invite customers to defraud it? It may sound incredible, but that is what some of Britain's biggest mortgage lenders have in effect been doing."
CLICK HERE - http://news.bbc.co.u...ess/3478635.stm

The BBC Money Programme uncovers massive mortgage fraud [2003!]: BBC TWO's The Money Programme has revealed a huge mortgage fraud with brokers from some of Britain's biggest estate agents and financial advice groups advising customers to break the law and lie about their incomes to get massively bigger mortgages. And it shows how the illicit cash raised by this method has been pouring into the housing market, boosting prices and leaving many people risking financial ruin.
CLICK HERE http://www.bbc.co.uk..._mortgage.shtml
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WATCH THE VIDEO OF THE 2003/4 DOCUMENTARY HERE: - http://video.google....67675&hl=en-GB#
Apologies - the video breaks up 3/4 of the way through - but stick it out - You will get the message overall!
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AND WATCH THE LATEST VIDEO OF LIAR LOANS STILL IN ACTION HERE in 2008 - http://news.sky.com/.../20080641317257

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 03:01 PM

View Posteric pebble, on 10 February 2010 - 02:33 PM, said:

3. Britain is overcrowded so the demand will always outstrip supply? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D

Er..... Only 7 - 8% of the land is actually built on....... Take a look at Google Earth/Maps with satellite tab on.... Or fly over Britain... Even on this crowded island - there is PLENTY of space actually... BUT there ARE too many people......


Britains available land is very overcrowded.

http://ezinearticles...-Few&id=1139145
Good value houses : I will see them again, but not yet, not yet!

The Credit Crunch :
The logical financial outcome is deflation. The logical political outcome is inflation. (Thanks to Injin 21st Sept 2008)

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 03:10 PM

come back Sybil13 with your amazing database of contrarian articles.
Its not a house price boom, its a credit feast and now its time for the hangover
No bankers were harmed in the making of this bailout

Your
country is at risk
if you
do not keep up repayments
on a gilt or other loan secured on it


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Posted 10 February 2010 - 03:47 PM

View PostBloo Loo, on 10 February 2010 - 03:10 PM, said:

come back Sybil13 with your amazing database of contrarian articles.

Please no,
They were good, but "War and Peace" posts were too much for me, she just didn't understand the concept of brevity.
Good value houses : I will see them again, but not yet, not yet!

The Credit Crunch :
The logical financial outcome is deflation. The logical political outcome is inflation. (Thanks to Injin 21st Sept 2008)

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 05:49 PM

View Postgleeful_expat, on 10 February 2010 - 03:47 PM, said:

Please no,
They were good, but "War and Peace" posts were too much for me, she just didn't understand the concept of brevity.

:unsure: :blink:
What the media today are still not telling us in full - for some reason the lid is being kept on the whole story:
HERE IN THE UK: THE UK SUB-PRIME CATASTROPHE - IT IS NOT ONLY IN AMERICA!! THE UK LIAR LOAN INDUSTRY - Source of FICTITIOUS "MONEY", and the principle driver of the House "Price" Pyramid/Ponzi Scam & Bubble, the "Credit Crunch" - and an unacknowledged major part of and cause of the ensuing Worldwide Financial Crash.
---------------------
The following was reported in a superb documentary in late 2003 - This is now nearly 7 years ago! Since then little has been done here in the UK to dig down deep on this vast elephant in the room: Why? If you're a serious journalist - here's your story - start investigating - it is the biggest financial scandal of all time:


Mortgage customers 'urged to lie' - All this was way back in 2003 by the way!!
Housebuyers are being encouraged to break the law in order to obtain huge mortgages, the BBC has discovered. Brokers, and even banking staff, have been telling buyers to lie about their incomes to get bigger and bigger loans. And these underhand tactics could also be the reason why house prices have gone on rising for so long.
CLICK HERE - http://news.bbc.co.u...ess/3222053.stm

"Could you believe that a bank would invite customers to defraud it? It may sound incredible, but that is what some of Britain's biggest mortgage lenders have in effect been doing."
CLICK HERE - http://news.bbc.co.u...ess/3478635.stm

The BBC Money Programme uncovers massive mortgage fraud [2003!]: BBC TWO's The Money Programme has revealed a huge mortgage fraud with brokers from some of Britain's biggest estate agents and financial advice groups advising customers to break the law and lie about their incomes to get massively bigger mortgages. And it shows how the illicit cash raised by this method has been pouring into the housing market, boosting prices and leaving many people risking financial ruin.
CLICK HERE http://www.bbc.co.uk..._mortgage.shtml
-----------------------------
WATCH THE VIDEO OF THE 2003/4 DOCUMENTARY HERE: - http://video.google....67675&hl=en-GB#
Apologies - the video breaks up 3/4 of the way through - but stick it out - You will get the message overall!
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AND WATCH THE LATEST VIDEO OF LIAR LOANS STILL IN ACTION HERE in 2008 - http://news.sky.com/.../20080641317257

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