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#301 User is offline   Methinkshe 

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 03:22 PM

View PostFreeTrader, on May 29 2009, 04:11 PM, said:

Today pretty much everything is up (including bonds) except for the dollar. There's a lot of liquidity out there trying to find a home.

Hmm, what does this remind me of?



.........................another bubble(s)?

And for how long will they last?

It's all looking a bit inflationary.

Which brings me on to a question I cannot sort out in my head - the old brain is getting rusty!

Gordon Brown is always advocating global responses; every country should bail out its banks; every country should adopt QE; every country should embark on a programme of public spending to counter unemployment, etc etc. He is always banging on about global responses - and I don't believe it's just because he feels lonely acting independently!

I think it's a response to the mistake of competitive devaluation that made the Great Depression so much worse.

What I cannot work out is what would be the result of a concerted inflation by all countries (at least, those with financially advanced markets.)

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 03:42 PM

View PostFreeTrader, on May 29 2009, 01:19 PM, said:

Sybil,

It would be unusual if bond markets kept selling off day after day after day. Inevitably we get pauses and even reversals as prices find a new equilibrium. However, the point to bear in mind is that even if the market settles down, to an extent the damage has been done – mortgage rates in the U.S. are likely to be higher on the back of these recent moves unless we see a marked retracement.

How the Fed responds to this is the real question, but they may be waiting to see whether yields back off again over the coming days.


How kind of you to take the time to respond to a bear of little brain that was very thoughtful thanks.

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 09:25 PM

View PostSybil13, on May 29 2009, 04:42 PM, said:

How kind of you to take the time to respond to a bear of little brain that was very thoughtful thanks.


You certainly don't lack brain power :)

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 07:21 AM

posted by BHP Tinto on gei. This is a must read. This is a very, very serious situation.

THE HORROR, Bond traders are white with terror

Gold Battle
Thrilla in Manila!


I want to talk about the bond market today as it relates to gold. And take you into the very real mind of a very real bond trader. Looking at a bond and gold chart is all very interesting if you like watching ivory tower movies. I do. But movies are not the whole picture. Experiencing the market thru the eyes of a real professional bond trader gives you a sensation of reality, in this case a most horrifying reality, that no chart can give you. I'm going to take you into the mind of a major bond trader who is a very good friend of mine.

What's happening in bond land? The latest US govt bond auction was for $110 billion. Two years ago the average monthly bond auction total was $5 billion, $10 billion, numbers like that. The US govt finances its debt with bonds. A $2 trillion deficit means $2 trillion in new bonds needs to be issued. Approx. $200 billion a month.

I want to take you inside the mind of a primary dealer. These are the approx. 20 dealers that have contracts with the US govt to market their bonds. The way the deal works in the govt's mind is: "You buy our bonds and sell them. You can short t-bonds going into the auction and bag a nice profit for yourself. But if you don't sell the bonds to your clients, guess who owns them? You do! If you don't like it, no more primary dealing for you, got it? And maybe we aren't so keen to hand over anymore bailout money or allow fraud accounting of your OTC derivatives. So play ball, or we take you out."

I spent two hours yesterday meeting in person with a very good friend of mine who is retired as the largest govt bond trader in Canada for one of the primary dealers. He still manages $1.5 billion as a side gig. His minimum trade is $5 million. He looks like a pitbull and uses 4 letter words like Mr. Bernanke uses a greenback photocopier. He carefully detailed to me the horrors that began roaring thru the bond market, horrors that are growing, since the shocking $110 billion US govt bond auction was announced for this week.

The bottom line is: There isn't enough money to soak up all the govt paper screaming down the pipe. The $300 billion in total that Mr. Bernanke committed to buy the bonds over multiple auctions, is a drop in the bucket. It's not enough.

There is a daily competition for money in the world's bond markets. The US govt bond is the King Daddy of those markets. The primary dealers will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to sell those bonds. The primary dealers also carry tremendous power against the govt. Let's have a listen to their response to the Gman's "it's my way or the highway". Listen carefully. "How would you like it, Mr. Gman, if we announced that " sorry, we can't find buyers for your triple A rated toilet paper, we're going to announce to your public that you defaulted. Let's see how you do when we cut your credit cards up. You tell us what to do? Wrong. Go ahead, take away our primary dealerships. We're all standing together on this. We give the orders, not you. Got it?"

What might those orders be? One order could be: "Your $300 billion commitment to buy T-bonds ain't gonna cut it. Try $3 trillion. Now get to your greenback photocopier start button and start pushing it. We'll tell you when to stop."

While that action may be in the pipeline, as of today the ACTIONS taken in the bond market by the players are what is important. And those actions, believe it or not, are to buy bonds. Money is starting to come out of general equities, aka the stock market, and into bonds. Money is not coming out of bonds, it's going in. This is what the chartists don't understand. Money isn't just trickling in, it's pouring in. But it's not enough to meet the govt's skyrocketing demand for money!

The losses in the bond market have pounded bank capital ratios. Balanced funds must now sell stocks and buy bonds to meet their mandated percentages. Losses on corporate bonds bought over the past year are staggering. Many hedge funds leveraged their purchases and are now in dire trouble.

I have warned you all repeatedly about taking delivery of a portion of your stock certificates. Securing your gold. Holding 1 to 12 months expenses cash outside the banking system.

The bond market auction was this week. Again, I want you to FEEL what the bond traders are feeling. They are white with terror. They aren't looking at some chart in internet candyland, they know there isn't enough money to buy all the govt bonds.

Where we appear to be headed is for a test of the Dow lows. You had better pray those lows hold. Because if they don't, your money could become a target of the govt as its demand for money skyrockets, while the supply of money tanks. The ideal situation is a fast crash towards those lows with perhaps either the Dow transports or the industrials breaking, but not both. While that happens, the bond market must rally.

The nightmare situation is the Dow just slowly rolls down, and bonds mount no major rally. If both the Dow transports and the industrials break the lows, the global banking and brokerage system will likely be closed soon after that, the first of many such closes. Short selling would likely be banned. A national sales tax would be simply one of a zillion money grabs.

I do things in moderation. If the Dow industrials and transports break the lows, I would seriously consider moving 5% of your IRA and 401k money out and into physical gold on the next correction in gold. Looking back, you should have bought gold bullion in a pyramid formation instead of opening IRA and 401k accounts. It's too late to turn that clock back. It's a small number, but you may not need that much insurance than 5% given the magnitude of the dangers at hand. Nothing is fixed. Nothing is repaired.

If Ben Bernanke fails to drastically increase the Fed's purchases of bonds, another vortex of asset destruction is a near certainty, as the primary dealers will exert mindblowing pressure on the managers of other assets to move those assets into bonds. Some of the movement is being triggered automatically thru asset allocation algorithms. Let me repeat: money IS not just moving into bonds now, it is POURING in. But... that money is not enough to soak up all the bonds the govt is issuing.

Most money managers are only just this week starting to understand this reality. And what kind of horrific situation this is. If Mr. Bernanke steps forward and announces massive new bond purchases, that could disintegrate the USdollar and send gold to $1200 in weeks or even days. On the other hand, if he doesn't, the primary dealers have no choice but to order a massive liquidation of equity and commodity assets to feed the Gman's maniacal demand for money. Picture a black hole. Everything is being sucked into it. That is the US govt's demand for money. This week's announcement of the $110 billion auction is literally seen by the bond traders as announcing that a real black hole has opened up on a sandy beach. EVERYTHING is slowly being sucked in. Even the sand. And it is accelerating fast in a massive deflationary vortex. As the govt gets the money, it is BURNED. As the sand (and people) pour down the hole, even gold could get sucked in as everything is sold to feed the Gman. Here's the gold chart, the weekly. The chart looks phenomenal. Indicators almost all right in the middle "sweet spot." Perfect to activate the head and shoulders.

Sadly, the massive increases in the commercial short positions of gold and other commodities over the past few weeks suggest it could be the deflationary vortex that emerges the victor of this clash of the titans. Will gold soar or melt? I wouldn't bet 10 cents on one scenario exclusively over the other. I want my subscribers to be 100% prepared for any and all scenarios. Remember the tools Mr. Bernanke has laid out. After the purchase of the t-bonds fails, (and it is badly failing right now) the next step is gold revaluation. If you think the United States govt is going to stand around like a wet noodle while their t-bonds are liquidated and watch all "their" money pour into gold without taking action to prevent that, please report to your new home on Fantasy Island. And don't expect there to be any gold there for you when you arrive. Own gold stocks bought into weakness and take delivery of a portion of your certificates. Own gold jewellery. Secure your gold before the govt secures it for you. Jim "Mr. Big" Sinclair, the world's largest trader of gold in the last bull market, feels gold could begin a skyrocket move to 1200, within 3 weeks! Jim "Mighty Man" Rogers feels gold could fall to 700! The bottom line right now is the bond market will decide the victor. The good news is Mighty Man will be a buyer at 700 if it happens. If he is correct, another massive wave of asset destruction is just around the corner, one that could require in excess of $50 trillion in money printing to cover the announced otc derivatives losses that will probably follow. The IMF may have no choice but to start a massive liquidation of its gold very quickly if the bond market doesn't reverse. They have no money and they may be enlisted to buy US govt debt. This is the clash of the titans and the public, who has just loaded up on stocks in time to be killed, is on the verge of being totally obliterated. Regardless of which way this plays out. Ironically, as money pours out of other assets to buy US govt bonds to feed US Gman Friar Tuck, it could have the effect of a giant short position on the USD being unwound, triggering a massive USD rally. The scenarios for huge price movements in all the major markets in all kinds of directions is arguably stronger right now than ever in financial history!

This is the ultimate nail biter, the Financial Thrilla in Manila! Will it be Jim Sinclair's bull rocket, or Jim Rogers' sledgehammer? I'd like to leave you with an even bigger question for the weekend, and that is:

Are You Prepared?

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 07:28 AM

all these bond issuances....one has to ask...where is the money coming from??

as GOMs post says, the QE isnt enough to cover what the US are about to issue...by a long shot....and the UK will be competing for the SAME MONEY.
Its not a house price boom, its a credit feast and now its time for the hangover
No bankers were harmed in the making of this bailout

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on a gilt or other loan secured on it


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Posted 30 May 2009 - 07:31 AM

Ok, looks like the Bond Vigilantes are now running full steam ahead:
http://www.bloomberg...6...&refer=home


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Bond Vigilantes Confront Obama as Housing Falters (Update3)
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By Liz Capo McCormick and Daniel Kruger

May 29 (Bloomberg) -- They’re back.

For the first time since another Democrat occupied the White House, investors from Beijing to Zurich are challenging a president’s attempts to revive the economy with record deficit spending. Fifteen years after forcing Bill Clinton to abandon his own stimulus plans, the so-called bond vigilantes are punishing Barack Obama for quadrupling the budget shortfall to $1.85 trillion. By driving up yields on U.S. debt, they are also threatening to derail Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke’s efforts to cut borrowing costs for businesses and consumers.

The 1.4-percentage-point rise in 10-year Treasury yields this year pushed interest rates on 30-year fixed mortgages to above 5 percent for the first time since before Bernanke announced on March 18 that the central bank would start printing money to buy financial assets. Treasuries have lost 5.1 percent in their worst annual start since Merrill Lynch & Co. began its Treasury Master Index in 1977.

“The bond-market vigilantes are up in arms over the outlook for the federal deficit,” said Edward Yardeni, who coined the term in 1984 to describe investors who protest monetary or fiscal policies they consider inflationary by selling bonds. He now heads Yardeni Research Inc. in Great Neck, New York. “Ten trillion dollars over the next 10 years is just an indication that Washington is really out of control and that there is no fiscal discipline whatsoever.”

Investor Dread

What bond investors dread is accelerating inflation after the government and Fed agreed to lend, spend or commit $12.8 trillion to thaw frozen credit markets and snap the longest U.S. economic slump since the 1930s. The central bank also pledged to buy as much as $300 billion of Treasuries and $1.25 trillion of bonds backed by home loans.

For the moment, at least, inflation isn’t a cause for concern. During the past 12 months, consumer prices fell 0.7 percent, the biggest decline since 1955. Excluding food and energy, prices climbed 1.9 percent from April 2008, according to the Labor Department.

Bill Gross, the co-chief investment officer of Newport Beach, California-based Pacific Investment Management Co. and manager of the world’s largest bond fund, said all the cash flooding into the economy means inflation may accelerate to 3 percent to 4 percent in three years. The Fed’s preferred range is 1.7 percent to 2 percent.

“There’s becoming an embedded inflationary premium in the bond market that wasn’t there six months ago,” Gross said yesterday in an interview at a conference in Chicago.

Shrinking Economy

Bonds usually rally when the economy is in recession and inflation is subdued. Gross domestic product dropped at a 5.7 percent annual pace in the first quarter, after contracting at a 6.3 percent rate in the last three months of 2008, according to the Commerce Department.

This time it’s different because the Congressional Budget Office projects Obama’s spending plan will expand the deficit this year to about four times the previous record, and cause a $1.38 trillion shortfall in fiscal 2010. The U.S. will need to raise $3.25 trillion this year to finance its objectives, up from less than $1 trillion in 2008, according to Goldman Sachs Group Inc., one of 16 primary dealers of U.S. government securities that are obligated to bid at Treasury auctions.

“The deficit and funding the deficit has become front and center,” said Jim Bianco, president of Bianco Research LLC in Chicago. “The Fed is going to have to walk a fine line here and has to continue with a policy of printing money to buy Treasuries while at the same time convince the market that this isn’t going to end in tears with fits of inflation.”

‘Potential Benefits’

Ten-year note yields, which help determine rates on everything from mortgages to corporate bonds, rose as much as 1.71 percentage points from a record low of 2.035 percent on Dec. 18. That was two days after the Fed said it was “evaluating the potential benefits of purchasing longer-term Treasury securities” as a way to keep consumer borrowing costs from rising.

The yield on the 10-year note rose one basis point, or 0.01 percentage point, to 3.47 percent this week, according to BGCantor Market Data. The price of the 3.125 percent security maturing in May 2019 fell 3/32, or 94 cents per $1,000 face amount, to 97 4/32. The yield touched 3.748 percent yesterday, the highest since November.

The dollar has also begun to weaken against the majority of the world’s most actively traded currencies on concern about the value of U.S. assets. The dollar touched $1.4169 per euro today, the weakest level this year.

Bond Intimidation

Ten-year yields climbed from 5.2 percent in October 1993, about a year after Clinton was elected, to just over 8 percent in November 1994. Clinton then adopted policies to reduce the deficit, resulting in sustained economic growth that generated surpluses from his last four budgets and helped push the 10-year yield down to about 4 percent by November 1998.

Clinton political adviser James Carville said at the time that “I used to think that if there was reincarnation, I wanted to come back as the president or the pope or as a .400 baseball hitter. But now I would like to come back as the bond market. You can intimidate everybody.”

The surpluses of the Clinton administration turned into record deficits as George W. Bush ramped up spending, including financing of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The bond vigilantes are being led by international investors, who own about 51 percent of the $6.36 trillion in marketable Treasuries outstanding, up from 35 percent in 2000, according to data compiled by the Treasury.

New Group

“The vigilante group is different this time around,” said Mark MacQueen, a partner and money manager at Austin, Texas- based Sage Advisory Services Ltd., which oversees $7.5 billion. “It’s major foreign creditors. This whole idea that we need to spend our way out of our problems is being questioned.”

MacQueen, who started in the bond business in 1981 at Merrill Lynch, has been selling Treasuries and moving into corporate and inflation-protected debt for the last few months.

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao said in March that China was “worried” about its $767.9 billion investment and was looking for government assurances that the value of its holdings would be protected.

The nation bought $5.6 billion in bills and sold $964 million in U.S. notes and bonds in February, according to Treasury data released April 15. It was the first time since November that China purchased more securities due in a year or less than longer-maturity debt.

Obama’s Confidence

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, who will travel to Beijing next week, will encourage China to boost domestic demand and maintain flexible markets, a Treasury spokesman said yesterday.

Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs said the president is confident that his budget and economic plans will cut the deficit and bring down the nation’s debt.

“The president feels very comfortable with the steps that the administration is taking to get our fiscal house in order and understands how important it is for our long-term growth,” Gibbs said.

Investors are also selling Treasuries as the economy shows signs of bottoming and credit and stock markets rebound, lessening the need for the relative safety of government debt. And while yields are rising, they are still below the average of 6.49 percent over the past 25 years.

‘Renewed Appreciation’

The world’s largest economy will begin to expand next quarter, according to 74 percent of economists in a National Association for Business Economics survey released this week. The Standard & Poor’s 500 has risen 36 percent since bottoming on March 9, while the London interbank offered rate, or Libor, that banks say they charge each other for three-month loans, fell to 0.66 percent today from 4.819 percent in October, according to the British Bankers’ Association.

Three-month Treasury bill rates have climbed to 0.13 percent after falling to minus 0.04 percent Dec. 4. That flight to safety helped U.S. debt rally 14 percent in 2008, the best year since gaining 18.5 percent in 1995, Merrill indexes show.

“Yes there’s been a big move, and you can argue the big move is driven by the renewed appreciation of the risks associated with holding long-term Treasury bonds,” said Brad Setser, a fellow for geoeconomics at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York.

Fed officials see several possible explanations for the rise in yields beyond investor concern about inflation. Among them: The supply of Treasuries for sale exceeds the Fed’s $300 billion purchase program, the economic outlook is improving and investors are selling government debt used as a hedge against mortgage securities.

Liquidity

Central bankers want to avoid appearing to react solely to market swings. Bernanke hasn’t formally asked policy makers to consider whether to increase Treasury purchases and may not do so before the Federal Open Market Committee’s next scheduled meeting June 23-24. Officials are confident they can mop up liquidity without gaining additional tools from Congress, such as the ability for the Fed to issue its own debt.

The Fed declined to comment for the story. Bernanke has an opportunity to discuss his views when he testifies June 3 before the House Budget Committee in Washington.

“We have daily reminders from bond vigilantes like Bill Gross about the prospect of losing our AAA rating,” Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas President Richard Fisher said in Washington yesterday. “This cannot be allowed to happen.”

Repair the Damage

The government and Fed are trying to repair the damage from the collapse of the subprime mortgage market in 2007, which caused credit markets to freeze, led to the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. in September and was responsible for $1.47 trillion of writedowns and losses at the world’s largest financial institutions, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

The initial progress Bernanke made toward reducing the relative cost of credit is in jeopardy of being unwound by the work of the bond vigilantes.

The average rate on a typical 30-year fixed mortgage rose to 5.08 percent this week from 4.85 percent in April, according to North Palm Beach, Florida-based Bankrate.com. Credit card rates average 10.5 percentage points more than 1-month Libor, up from 7.19 percentage points in October.

“Longer term the danger is that the rise in yields disrupts the recovery or the rise in inflation expectations dislodges the Fed’s current complacency on inflation,” Credit Suisse Group AG interest-rate strategists Dominic Konstam, Carl Lantz and Michael Chang wrote in a May 22 report.

‘It’s Over’

Inflation expectations may best be reflected in the yield curve, or the difference between short- and long-term Treasury rates. The gap widened this week to 2.76 percentage points, surpassing the previous record of 2.74 percentage points set on Aug. 13, 2003. Investors typically demand higher yields on longer-maturity debt when inflation, which erodes the value of fixed-income payments, accelerates.

“The yield spreads opening up imply that inflation premiums are rising,” said former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan in a telephone interview from Washington on May 22. “If we try to do too much, too soon, we will end up with higher real long- term interest rates which will thwart the economic recovery.”

Other economists are more pointed. After falling from 16 percent in the early 1980s, 10-year yields have nowhere to go but up, according to Richard Hoey, the New York-based chief economist at Bank of New York Mellon Corp.

“The secular bull market in Treasury bonds is over,” Hoey said in a Bloomberg Television interview. “It ran a good 28 years. They’re never going lower. That’s it. It’s over.”

To contact the reporters on this story: Liz Capo McCormick in New York at emccormick7@bloomberg.net; Daniel Kruger in New York at dkruger1@bloomberg.net
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 07:36 AM

Hi FreeTrader,

we really need to keep your thread & MikeLivingstone's one bumped every day. This bond/gilt market stuff are the most important things happening at the moment imo.

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 07:39 AM

View Postgrumpy-old-man-returns, on May 30 2009, 08:36 AM, said:

Hi mikelivingstone,

we really need to keep your thread & FreeTrader's one bumped every day. This bond/gilt market stuff are the most important things happening at the moment imo.


steady....we need to keep things in perspective....look, my MP claimed for a bulk pack of cheese and onion crisps on his expenses.....its outrages like this that the MSM should be focused on, not some airy fairy financial dealings.
Its not a house price boom, its a credit feast and now its time for the hangover
No bankers were harmed in the making of this bailout

Your
country is at risk
if you
do not keep up repayments
on a gilt or other loan secured on it


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Posted 30 May 2009 - 07:41 AM

View Postgrumpy-old-man-returns, on May 30 2009, 08:36 AM, said:

Hi FreeTrader,

we really need to keep your thread & MikeLivingstone's one bumped every day. This bond/gilt market stuff are the most important things happening at the moment imo.



I agree. This is actually the most important topic on HPC right now.

The Bond Market is the ultimate judge and justice - right now the US/UK Governments are facing the gallows.

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 07:41 AM

View PostBloo Loo, on May 30 2009, 08:39 AM, said:

steady....we need to keep things in perspective....look, my MP claimed for a bulk pack of cheese and onion crisps on his expenses.....its outrages like this that the MSM should be focused on, not some airy fairy financial dealings.



he...he...

I know what you mean.

If this was on the main news though the masses wouldn't have a clue anyway.

That's why they have called this printing currency malarchy....Quantitative Easing, it's ALL in the wording. <_<

They should say that we have the same economic monetary policy as Zimbabwea, that might get a few cornflakes spat out.

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 07:46 AM

well i have a pirate hat, a stout butty box and a couple of grand... where do i sign?

this thread really should be pinned

just sayin'
How does the financial system work >>

Age-wise, i am right on the cusp of this huge demographic divide, separating the property 'haves' and 'have nots'; and from my perspective (despite having recently bought my first ever house), i pray for some sense and realism from the bubbleheads...
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 07:57 AM

View PostɥsıŸpǝɥ, on May 30 2009, 08:46 AM, said:

well i have a pirate hat, a stout butty box and a couple of grand... where do i sign?

this thread really should be pinned

just sayin'



I agree with the pinning idea.

This feels like the start of the next wave down.

The populace are content with their Nationwide number for now and have had their weekly hate over MPs expenses, but in reality something big is forming, like a hurricane off the coast.

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 08:00 AM

View Postmikelivingstone, on May 30 2009, 08:57 AM, said:

I agree with the pinning idea.

This feels like the start of the next wave down.

The populace are content with their Nationwide number for now and have had their weekly hate over MPs expenses, but in reality something big is forming, like a hurricane off the cost.



this is the thing that the doubters forget.
These are 100 year events unfolding & so when we are a few months out or perhaps even a year, when you look at the longer timeline at this historic juncture, 6 months or a year is nothing.

They will remember this point in history soon enough though.

must resist.......
can't resist........

:ph34r:

dammit
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 10:09 AM

Are we now talking government guilts? ;)
What you don't owe won't worry you.

Less can be more.

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 11:33 AM

This has been a very eventful week in bond markets, and I think it's true to say that Wednesday's late action in U.S. Treasuries emphasised to all and sundry that the global issuance of sovereign debt at levels which are unprecedented outside wartime is THE story of the moment. The article that Mike Livingstone posted a few comments above gives a very good overview of the situation and it's a must-read for anyone who's a late arrival to this thread.

The chart below shows the yield on the 10-year Treasury over the past few days, and as you can see we had an impressive pull-back over Thursday and Friday from the high of almost 3.75%. Many traders however remain unconvinced of the longevity of this retracement because it was made on low volume and there was also believed to be some month-end buying of Treasuries as trading desks squared off their positions. It seems likely therefore that underlying pressure for yields to rise will persist as long as the U.S. Treasury is feeding this enormous amount of new debt into the market.

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Thus far the Federal Reserve has been playing down the significance of the rise in Treasury yields, basically arguing that the curve-steepening we're seeing is a natural consequence of economic recovery. A number of analysts (Tim Bond of Barclays Capital for example) agree. However I don't think anyone really believes that Fed staff are quite as sanguine as they appear, and if these yields continue to push up then the betting is that there will be some sort of policy reaction – perhaps some additional QE. It's going to be an interesting summer.

Meanwhile in the U.K. gilts market, yields are continuing their gradual rise and this is despite the Bank of England buying £6.5 billion of gilts each week, considerably more than the Debt Management Office is currently selling at auction. We've got approximately 9 weeks left of QE buying from the BoE, and if they don't extend the programme then the gilts market will finally be on its own and the DMO will have to shift all that debt without a large offsetting buyer in the secondary market. As the potential ending of QE approaches, we're liable to see the absence of the BoE being priced into yields, so that's something to be aware of.

Here's the chart for the current 10-year gilt, the 4.5% Treasury 2019, and it shows the yield is creeping up despite the BoE's intervention. It's now above the 3.63% close of 4 March, the day before the initial £75bn QE programme was announced. Is this due to investor concern over public borrowing and money printing, or is it simply a natural consequence of better economic prospects? Again, I think we're going to get a much better idea over the coming summer.

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You don't need to look at the bond market if you want to see signals that Chairman Bernanke might be about to put the presses into overdrive.

The dollar index closed the week at 79.23, and is now flirting with its December low:

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Oil continues to rise:

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And finally, gold is knocking on the door of $1000 again:

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We can all hear the rotor blades starting up, but are the bond vigilante commando team going to sabotage the take-off?


Edit: added missed word, deleted another.

This post has been edited by FreeTrader: 30 May 2009 - 11:39 AM


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