IP Newcomer Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Can anyone come up with some media sources that mention housepricecrash or prove its notability? The article in Wikipedia is up for deletion. The Deletion debateThe ArticleIf you want to get involved, please don't simply go on there and say keep. Finding sources or reasonable arguments would be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymadman Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 http://property.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life...icle1950611.ece Top 25 property blog? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatdog Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 A genuine concern: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Price_Crash FP might be best qualified to advise...I am sure that HPC has been mentioned in the mainstream media recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the end is a bit nigher Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I have read their terms for deletion and none of them have been breached so really it comes down to a matter of opinion of whether or not HPC.co.uk should be within an encyclopedia. Personally I think it should as it discusses the economic impact of house prices which are a major topic of news across the USA and UK at present, right up to the highest level. I'm buggered if I can work out how to add that to the discussion though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cogs Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 (edited) Basically someone wants it deleted. As usual in "Wikilawyering" circles a bizarre argument is being cooked up re: FP. What it needs is a long paragraph, heavily hyperlinked (aim for every third word) discussing the impact, notoriety, Krusty's outbursts etc. Put FP in a seperate para. What we really need though is a sympathetic "Wikipaedo" editor, experience shows you are up against powermad 13 year olds who will not listen to reason, just Jimbo's Hallowed Rulebook. Edit: Sponsor for deletion is an "administrator". So it going to go, despite the fact that by his logic, Wikipedia itself would be un-notable and should delete its own page because most mentions of it go via Jimbo Wales. Edited August 31, 2008 by Cogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefinalbear Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/blog/2008/...sjudgementdayor http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business...ths-826288.html http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2008/06/24...er-double-bill/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Just forget Wikipedia. Setup your own blog or website and link back to that from loads of other Web 2.0 sites such as Squidoo, Hubpages or Digg. Wikipedia is another one of these Web 2.0 "authority" sites that once it got big pulled up the drawbridge with its "nofollow" linking policy with the result that the Google "juice" and traffic is sucked only one way..towards Wikipedia of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IP Newcomer Posted August 31, 2008 Author Share Posted August 31, 2008 Just forget Wikipedia. Setup your own blog or website and link back to that from loads of other Web 2.0 sites such as Squidoo, Hubpages or Digg. Wikipedia is another one of these Web 2.0 "authority" sites that once it got big pulled up the drawbridge with its "nofollow" linking policy with the result that the Google "juice" and traffic is sucked only one way..towards Wikipedia of course. I don't care about link juice or whatever, I just think that HPC is a noteworthy subject no matter what crush the nominator has on Kirsty Allsop (look at the link in his original reason). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the end is a bit nigher Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I don't care about link juice or whatever, I just think that HPC is a noteworthy subject no matter what crush the nominator has on Kirsty Allsop (look at the link in his original reason). It is, and as no rules have been broken then it is purely a matter of opinion. Can someone tell me how to get that added to the discussion about deletion please?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IP Newcomer Posted August 31, 2008 Author Share Posted August 31, 2008 (edited) It is, and as no rules have been broken then it is purely a matter of opinion.Can someone tell me how to get that added to the discussion about deletion please?!? Well the argument that could win is that the notability is not evidenced by substantial mentions in third party sources, and there's a point. That should fix itself over the next couple of days, although I suspect that the whole thing will be too far gone by then. Consa's site will have got a victory as it was their trolling that originally got the article noticed by the admin with the Kirsty-crush. Edited August 31, 2008 by IP Newcomer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatdog Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Basically someone wants it deleted. As usual in "Wikilawyering" circles a bizarre argument is being cooked up re: FP.What it needs is a long paragraph, heavily hyperlinked (aim for every third word) discussing the impact, notoriety, Krusty's outbursts etc. Put FP in a seperate para. What we really need though is a sympathetic "Wikipaedo" editor, experience shows you are up against powermad 13 year olds who will not listen to reason, just Jimbo's Hallowed Rulebook. Edit: Sponsor for deletion is an "administrator". So it going to go, despite the fact that by his logic, Wikipedia itself would be un-notable and should delete its own page because most mentions of it go via Jimbo Wales. Wow...last paragraph aside it seems to me that you know what you are on about... May I suggest that Cogs be nominated by HPC to launch a counter offensive on Wikipedia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I am tempted to respond, but I think this requires a gentle touch.. quality not quantity etc. Anyone who understands wiki fancy constructing a well referenced essay on the notoriety of HPC? I'm pretty sure I'm not the man for the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IP Newcomer Posted August 31, 2008 Author Share Posted August 31, 2008 Wow...last paragraph aside it seems to me that you know what you are on about...May I suggest that Cogs be nominated by HPC to launch a counter offensive on Wikipedia? No, we don't need any counter-offensive. It won't matter much if we get deleted from Wikipedia, hpc will dominate Google without competition from that article. It's just encyclopedia worthy and it would be a shame to see it go due to silly reasoning and explaining away multiple media references. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IP Newcomer Posted August 31, 2008 Author Share Posted August 31, 2008 I am tempted to respond, but I think this requires a gentle touch.. quality not quantity etc.Anyone who understands wiki fancy constructing a well referenced essay on the notoriety of HPC? I'm pretty sure I'm not the man for the job I just need links in the mainstream media that reference hpc prominently or name things that hpc does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest X-QUORK Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Let's just carry on doing what we do, if Wikipedia miss out for whatever reason...who cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I just need links in the mainstream media that reference hpc prominently or name things that hpc does. Just from googling for 15 mins I have the following.. not sure how many we already have. http://charteredsurveyors.blogspot.com/200...ecrashcouk.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6549299.stm http://video.aol.com/video-detail/housepri...60907/216380727 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3811644413905431416 http://www.lets-makemoney.co.uk/?p=1064 http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/blog/2008/...eelingconfident http://www.independent.co.uk/money/loans-c...ket-408088.html http://www.citywire.co.uk/Adviser/-/blogs/....aspx?ID=282806 http://www.stride.co.uk/property-insurance...ere%3F-nav34-47 http://www.fool.co.uk/news/property-home/2...e-unlikely.aspx (Note: Fool considers us a reliable enough source to reference) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaakov Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 http://www.google.co.uk/search?source=ig&a...earch&meta= not too many links to hpc according to google. Odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymadman Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Wikipedia is a very strange best. It's odd the way it allows itself to be taken over by people with a particular interest. I once edited an article to include the number of threatograms TV Licensing send out each year (23.5 million a year - a really shocking number of dead trees). For seem reason it made someone livid and they did everything to take it out. First it wasn't well enough sourced, then it wasn't neutral point of view, then it was in the wrong article, then it was first hand research, then.... It's only still there because someone else cared more than I did about keeping it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 - BUMP - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Hatred Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Sorry, agree with deletion. HPC is non-notable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Let's just carry on doing what we do, if Wikipedia miss out for whatever reason...who cares? Exactly its wikipedia's "loss." And there are plenty of other places on the web to publish HPC articles where you are not subjected to idiotic censorship by teenagers more interested in Doctor Who. Also where a link back to this site would actually count, as far as Google is concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Sorry, agree with deletion. HPC is non-notable. I think we are notorious enough to be notable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AteMoose Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 (edited) Basically someone wants it deleted. As usual in "Wikilawyering" circles a bizarre argument is being cooked up re: FP.What it needs is a long paragraph, heavily hyperlinked (aim for every third word) discussing the impact, notoriety, Krusty's outbursts etc. Put FP in a seperate para. What we really need though is a sympathetic "Wikipaedo" editor, experience shows you are up against powermad 13 year olds who will not listen to reason, just Jimbo's Hallowed Rulebook. Edit: Sponsor for deletion is an "administrator". So it going to go, despite the fact that by his logic, Wikipedia itself would be un-notable and should delete its own page because most mentions of it go via Jimbo Wales. I agree politically the article is going, and nothing can be done. The reasons behind the deletion are probably to do with someone Portfolio (or there mums/dads portfolio) and a believe they can erase a crash by deleting the article Edited September 1, 2008 by moosetea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redgenieuk Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 In the deletion discussion, it says FP owns HPC. I believe this is not the case and very relevent. Can FP or someone confirm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vested Disinterest Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 The article could probably do with some fleshing out, but it's probably not worth a big fight. However I disagree with the assertion that all the mainstream press articles mention HPC "in passing". That must be true for thousands of sources, for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Which%3F (that's Which? magazine if you don't read hexadecimal). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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