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I don't care if Hitler, or Franco, Pinchet (her mate), Pol Pot or whoever cared deeply about what they were doing and thought it was the right thing in difficult circumstances.

This demonstrates my earlier point. I happen to think that Harold Wilson was an absolute catastrophe as a prime minister but I've never tried to equate him with Stalin or Mao just because he happened to be left of centre. Trying to say that Thatcher, who I'm pretty ambivalent about myself as it happens, is somehow like Hitler is what I've come to expect from the left and is one of the very many reasons I will never vote for anyone that has ever been a socialist or communist of any description.

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I always believe in the old adage that "The Good die young" She was 87. Or will the moderators remove this. Kelvin McKenzie where are you.

So you're not a fan of Nelson Mandela then I take it?

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Strange. Yet you have so much compassion for horses in the Grand National thread.

You call me self regarding. Time to have a look at yourself, I think.

What an odd poster you are.

BoltonFury, is the above aimed at me? I think you have got the wrong Dude..(you will find there are a few 'dude's as members on this forum. I certainly DID NOT post anything that required a moderator intervention. Sir you owe me an apology :)

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:lol: That'll confuse them! Are the left more spiteful than lazy, that is the question

The liblab-CON left-right argument is for Dumbed Down Ignorants - Diversionary whilst they stab you in the back.

"Mar 13, 2013 – Artificially low wages teach workers that their work is not valuable—a disastrous policy outcome"

2013 the Resolution Foundation shows the median wage fell by £3,200 since 2009, to £21,700.

That is also against a background of veiled massive food, energy, transport inflation (so buys even less)

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A state funeral, a bank holiday and more GDP excuses.

Only one former PM (Churchill) has ever had a state funeral, and that was in recognition of his leadership of a government of national unity in defending the country. Whatever the magnitude of her contribution to the country, few would argue that it was a polarising contribution, and therefore that a state funeral is not really appropriate.

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I don't think so (and I mean that in a thoughtful way, not in a 'you're wrong' way). Genuine long term hatred seems to be a characteristic of the left much more so than the right from my experience. Wilson, Callaghan and others were disliked intensly by the right when they were in power but the commentary when they died was respectful.

I think that's a bit of an overgeneralisation. I don't recall any unpleasantness from the left when Edward Heath died, for example. Having said that, I'm not expecting much in the way of restraint in the present case.

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Only one former PM (Churchill) has ever had a state funeral, and that was in recognition of his leadership of a government of national unity in defending the country. Whatever the magnitude of her contribution to the country, few would argue that it was a polarising contribution, and therefore that a state funeral is not really appropriate.

Wellington?

Of course, the same rationalisation would apply

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Only one former PM (Churchill) has ever had a state funeral, and that was in recognition of his leadership of a government of national unity in defending the country. Whatever the magnitude of her contribution to the country, few would argue that it was a polarising contribution, and therefore that a state funeral is not really appropriate.

No state funeral according to the BBC news site

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I think the basic test for a PM is "did you leave the country in a better state than when you found it"

Thatcher: definite yes, agree or disagree with her policies but the country was on the verge of collapse in 1979.

Major: Yes.

Bliar: catastrophic in so many ways, is there a better candidate for worst PM of all time?

Brown: did the real damage whilst in no. 11; just plain embarrasing as PM.

Yes, you've summed it up pretty well. Brown has to be compared to Healy as an occupant of no. 11.

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Only one former PM (Churchill) has ever had a state funeral, and that was in recognition of his leadership of a government of national unity in defending the country. Whatever the magnitude of her contribution to the country, few would argue that it was a polarising contribution, and therefore that a state funeral is not really appropriate.

She also requested NOT to have a state funeral herself

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A sad day, she was what the country needed and we need another like her now.

I wonder - can the left now set a specific date beyond which they stop blaming her for everything - including the things that happened before and after her time in power?

Shall we offer 2nd April 2080 as a provisional timeframe?

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A sad day, she was what the country needed and we need another like her now.

I wonder - can the left now set a specific date beyond which they stop blaming her for everything - including the things that happened before and after her time in power?

Shall we offer 2nd April 2080 as a provisional timeframe?

could not agree more.

RIP

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A sad day, she was what the country needed and we need another like her now.

I wonder - can the left now set a specific date beyond which they stop blaming her for everything - including the things that happened before and after her time in power?

Shall we offer 2nd April 2080 as a provisional timeframe?

Yup

She did a fantastic job, if it wasn't for her we would not be scrounging around for energy as we are now.

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I think that's a bit of an overgeneralisation. I don't recall any unpleasantness from the left when Edward Heath died, for example. Having said that, I'm not expecting much in the way of restraint in the present case.

Well, Heath wasn't exactly a right winger by most standards but, all the same:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2001/mar/19/profiles.parliament13?INTCMP=SRCH

As the charmless, chubby 84-year-old Sir Edward Heath shuffles into history after 51 years in the Commons, the controversy he invokes will doubtless continue.

Not exactly restrained!

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I think the basic test for a PM is "did you leave the country in a better state than when you found it"

Thatcher: definite yes, agree or disagree with her policies but the country was on the verge of collapse in 1979.

Major: Yes.

Bliar: catastrophic in so many ways, is there a better candidate for worst PM of all time?

Brown: did the real damage whilst in no. 11; just plain embarrasing as PM.

Sums up my thoughts.

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