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This is where all the gold will go ...

China Opens Largest Private Gold Vault With Capacity For $82 Billion Worth Of Precious Metal

Bloomberg reports, that a gold vault that can store 2,000 metric tons, double China’s projected consumption this year, opened in Shanghai this month as owner Malca-Amit Global Ltd. seeks to benefit from rising demand in Asia’s largest economy.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-12/china-opens-largest-private-gold-vault-capacity-82-billion-worth-precious-metal

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That's possible. Although there is a probability that lower-grade deposits will come on stream if the price goes high enough, it assumes there is sufficient processing and refining capacity to get it out of the ground before the mining company goes bust. I feel we may be nearing the position where mines will be dug if the price enables it, but the total output may be nowhere near enough to satisfy demand.

Could be very bullish for Gold prices.

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Possibly BIG news. They could start by investigating why it takes the Fed 7+ years to deliver German gold back to Germany ...

German watchdog starts probe into gold price-fixing -report

Nov 26 (Reuters) - Germany's financial watchdog BaFin has started a probe into suspected manipulation of benchmark gold and silver prices by banks, the Wall Street Journal Deutschland website reported on Tuesday.

The report also said that similar investigations were under way in the United States and Britain, without citing sources.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/26/metals-benchmark-probe-idUSL5N0JB4ST20131126

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Reports of gold's (alleged) demise are going mainstream.

Gold price plunges as confident investors pile out of safe havens

End of a 13-year boom as US economic upturn sees investors confidently selling gold and buying shares

November brought more bad news for believers in the eternal power of gold: the commodity saw its sharpest monthly price fall since June. This month's 6% drop makes 2013 a terrible year for gold, and is set to mark the end of a 13-year boom. Gold is heading for its first annual fall since 2000 after shedding a quarter of its value this year.

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Georgette Boele at Dutch bank ABN Amro said: "The gold bubble has burst and … more of gold's previous supportive drivers are about to push the precious metal much lower. As such we expect additional large sell-offs."

In India, traditionally the world's biggest consumer of gold, the government has imposed punishing duty on gold purchases which has led to mass recycling of some of the 20,000 tonnes of gold stashed in Indian homes.

Consumers in China have been buying gold as they become more affluent. But Boele predicts that despite this, it will fall to $1,000 an ounce next year and $800 in 2015.

http://www.theguardi...onomies-improve

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This could be interesting ...

Swiss to reform gold market to aid transparency

GENEVA (AP) -- The Swiss government has approved a change in how data on gold trade is compiled in an effort to reduce abuses in the precious metals' market.

The governing Federal Council of ministers, which includes the president, says figures on gold imports and exports will be broken down by country starting next year.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/swiss-reform-gold-market-aid-155921156.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory

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Mish: Gold Manipulation: Is it Illegal? Risk Free? What About JP Morgan?

http://globaleconomi...legal-risk.html

This is a quite refreshing look at the allegations of gold price manipulation:

For years we heard from GATA and others "JPMorgan and the gold shorts will be blown out of the water and eventually forced to cover their shorts at higher and higher prices. Gold will go to the moon". What happened? Somewhere along the line, JPMorgan became net long as the price of gold plunged. Now we are in search of a different elusive force allegedly suppressing the price of gold.

Worth a read IMO

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For years we heard from GATA and others "JPMorgan and the gold shorts will be blown out of the water and eventually forced to cover their shorts at higher and higher prices. Gold will go to the moon". What happened? Somewhere along the line, JPMorgan became net long as the price of gold plunged. Now we are in search of a different elusive force allegedly suppressing the price of gold.

Worth a read IMO

I thought the JP Morgan issues were always with Silver as opposed to gold.

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Precious Metals Manipulation Worse Than Libor Scandal, German Regulator Says

It may be time to shift yet another conspiracy "theory" into the "fact" bin, thanks to Elke Koenig, the president of Germany's top financial regulator, Bafin, which apparently is not as corrupt, complicit and clueless as its US equivalent, and who said that in addition to currency rates, manipulation of precious metals "is worse than the Libor-rigging scandal."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-16/precious-metals-manipulation-worse-libor-german-regulator-says

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The FT Goes There: "Demand Physical Gold" As One Day Paper Price Manipulation Will End "Catastrophically"

But convincing the Bundebsbank to demand delivery was peanuts compared to changing the tune of the Financial Times - that bastion of fiat "money", and where the word gold is mocked and ridiculed, and those who see the daily improprieties in the gold market as nothing but "conspiracy theorists" - to say the magic words: "Learn from Buba and demand delivery for true price of gold", adding that "one day the ties that bind this pixelated gold may break, with potentially catastrophic results."

In other words, precisely what we have been saying since the beginning.

Welcome to the 'conspiracy theorist' club, boys.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-25/ft-goes-there-demand-physical-gold-one-day-paper-price-manipulation-will-end-catastr

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China Plans Massive 1,500 Tonne Gold Storage Vault In Qianhai

The Chinese Gold & Silver Exchange Society is prepared to spend at least HK$ 1 billion to set up a gold vaulting warehouse in mainland China that will be able to store a massive 1,500 tonnes of gold.

http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/02/china-plans-massive-1500-tonne-gold-storage-vault-in-qianhai/

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Meanwhile…The Chinese Have Accelerated Their Gold Accumulation

In week 21 (May 19 – 23) Chinese wholesale gold demand, measured by SGE withdrawals, was 36.4 metric tonnes, up 22.98 % from the week before. This is the highest weekly demand since week 9 (February 24 -28).

http://investmentresearchdynamics.com/meanwhile-the-chinese-have-accelerated-their-gold-accumulation/

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It's been a while since I posted anything in the precious metals section and this thread seems to be a sleeping parrot so I'll update an earlier comment to check if anybody is in.

I posted a comment about Daneric back in May:
http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/189627-gold-and-silver/page-4#entry909319574

To my untrained eye, gold has been resisting Daneric's Über bearish predictions. Perhaps the conflicts in the Middle East are helping te gold price?
http://danericselliottwaves.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/elliott-wave-update-20-august-2014.html

"GOLD:
If prices collapse soon in the SPX to beneath 1560 SPX, what would happen to Gold? Well the wave chart suggests it too would sell hard. Its due a 5th wave down after a long triangle formation:

Yes I believe hyperinflation can happen. But I strongly believe we must have our massive credit collapse first. And (paper) Gold is a (leveraged) fraud as much as anything in these markets."

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We seem to be in a waiting mode at the moment.

The price suppression and thievery continues apace on micro-trading, while everyone waits for something to go wrong. Under normal circumstances, this might take a very long time, but we must surely be getting very close to the end-game. Debt is being accumulated at the same absurd rate and the POG and POS is in the Summer Doldrums.

I am still buying more on a pound-cost averaging basis, but it's a waiting game at the moment. If something goes wrong in the Middle East or Ukraine, then we'll see some action, but I think the main driver will the the Chinese or Russians looking at the box of US Treasuries and thinking "Well, that's about as much as we can get away with, there's not much left". Then the next time the US pokes the Bear or Dragon, suddenly the new reserve currency will be unveiled.

It's only a matter of time, now.

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Super-rich rush to buy 'Italian Job' style gold bars

The super-rich are looking to protect their wealth through buying record numbers of "Italian job" style gold bars, according to bullion experts.

The number of 12.5kg gold bars being bought by wealthy customers has increased 243pc so far this year, when compared to the same period last year, said Rob Halliday-Stein founder of BullionByPost.

The sales of 1kg gold bars, worth about £25,000 each, has doubled during the three months ended August, when compared to the same period last year, according to ATS Bullion sales figures.

Sales of the more popular gold coins such as the quarter ounce sovereign and one ounce Krugerrand have also doubled this year, according to figures from BullionByPost.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/commodities/11104055/Super-rich-rush-to-buy-Italian-Job-style-gold-bars.html

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Super-rich rush to buy 'Italian Job' style gold bars

The super-rich are looking to protect their wealth through buying record numbers of "Italian job" style gold bars, according to bullion experts.

The number of 12.5kg gold bars being bought by wealthy customers has increased 243pc so far this year, when compared to the same period last year, said Rob Halliday-Stein founder of BullionByPost.

The sales of 1kg gold bars, worth about £25,000 each, has doubled during the three months ended August, when compared to the same period last year, according to ATS Bullion sales figures.

Sales of the more popular gold coins such as the quarter ounce sovereign and one ounce Krugerrand have also doubled this year, according to figures from BullionByPost.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/commodities/11104055/Super-rich-rush-to-buy-Italian-Job-style-gold-bars.html

Hmm. Those in the know preparing for a whole-of-market crash and QE?

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Much as I do not wish to quote Mr .Greenspan, I thought this was quite interesting:

"If the dollar or any other fiat currency were universally acceptable at all times, central banks would see no need to hold any gold. The fact that they do indicates that such currencies are not a universal substitute.”

Alan Greenspan, Sep 29, 2014

Full article by Greenspan - http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/142114/alan-greenspan/golden-rule . He also suggests that China is about to embark on a massive gold buying programme to take reserves up to 10,000 tons+.

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