OzzMosiz Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Currently over 2100 houses for sale in a 3 mile radius of Swindon 610 for rent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Knimbies who say No Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 now about 3300 for sale in a three mile radius, according to rightmove. Hopefully it will be carnage, although much of the new build stuff seems to be listed at fantasy prices: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-216...=2&tr_t=buy http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-219...=4&tr_t=buy extreme examples, mind. Where dya think this is- Newbury? what a shower, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheresitgone Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 now about 3300 for sale in a three mile radius, according to rightmove.Hopefully it will be carnage, although much of the new build stuff seems to be listed at fantasy prices: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-216...=2&tr_t=buy http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-219...=4&tr_t=buy extreme examples, mind. Where dya think this is- Newbury? what a shower, eh? I can't be sure but I think that second example used to be a solicitor's premises. Perhaps you get the conveyancing thrown in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Knimbies who say No Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I can't be sure but I think that second example used to be a solicitor's premises. Perhaps you get the conveyancing thrown in LOL! Hopefully it will be 'Get your conveyancing done here, and we'll throw in a flat for free' Seriously though, the new build prices are generally very high, yet searching the database for sales in many of the new build estates (primarily looking in SN1, so Okus road) there appear to be very few. I know a lot of the new build stuff may have been bought off-plan, but there are still plenty being advertised. Makes one wonder what sort of discount they will take to an unrealistic asking price. Some of them do not look like good deals until as much as 30% is lopped off. And that does not even account for the fact they will fall further! Nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheresitgone Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 LOL! Hopefully it will be 'Get your conveyancing done here, and we'll throw in a flat for free'Seriously though, the new build prices are generally very high, yet searching the database for sales in many of the new build estates (primarily looking in SN1, so Okus road) there appear to be very few. I know a lot of the new build stuff may have been bought off-plan, but there are still plenty being advertised. Makes one wonder what sort of discount they will take to an unrealistic asking price. Some of them do not look like good deals until as much as 30% is lopped off. And that does not even account for the fact they will fall further! Nuts. Like someone mentioned on here, it could be very risky to buy a new build as what is to stop the Gov't buying up some of these units to place who knows who in them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Knimbies who say No Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Like someone mentioned on here, it could be very risky to buy a new build as what is to stop the Gov't buying up some of these units to place who knows who in them? Very true, which adds more downside. I suspect they wont be able to get half the price for some of them. The only thing that separates these new build estates from the chav hellholes we all know is the fact the chavs are priced out. They look similar in layout etc and have just as few amenities. Stick a few chavs in and watch it descend into chaos. Before you know it, there will be gobby children and oily dogs on every corner. I mean, look at these: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-224...=1&tr_t=buy http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-216...=1&tr_t=buy they seem to be in another world. Where would you start negotiating from? Half price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheresitgone Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Very true, which adds more downside. I suspect they wont be able to get half the price for some of them. The only thing that separates these new build estates from the chav hellholes we all know is the fact the chavs are priced out. They look similar in layout etc and have just as few amenities. Stick a few chavs in and watch it descend into chaos. Before you know it, there will be gobby children and oily dogs on every corner. I mean, look at these: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-224...=1&tr_t=buy http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-216...=1&tr_t=buy they seem to be in another world. Where would you start negotiating from? Half price? It's generally accepted that the price for new build is higher than that for resale property. However, unless you really want to live in a brand new flat, you can purchase a decent house for less than £200K, with a garage and garden. I think at the moment, property companies prefer to shout for Government bailouts rather than be realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Knimbies who say No Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 (edited) It's generally accepted that the price for new build is higher than that for resale property. However, unless you really want to live in a brand new flat, you can purchase a decent house for less than £200K, with a garage and garden. I think at the moment, property companies prefer to shout for Government bailouts rather than be realistic. yeah, A very good resale property can be had in a good part of town with change for 200k. I suppose it's like buying a new car- you pay a premium to be the first in it. I just can't see people coughing up these asking prices though, and the new stuff certainly has none of the charm of the period property which is common in the old town. I suppose with rising energy costs, good insulation will be looked on favourably. In the last place I rented, 'The Whytes' new build SN2 1FE, the heating never went on once over winter. remarkable insulation. I definitely wouldn't buy there though. I suppose I'm hoping that the glut of new build will bring down decent properties' prices with it. They have a hell of a lot to shift up Okus Road way. They're starting to sell the Wychelstowe off plans too, goodness knows how much of that there is. happy to sit and wait for the moment. Edited August 1, 2008 by cheeznbreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Knimbies who say No Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Also, Wiltshire is the county with one of the lowest accepted:asked price ratios of 89.7% according to the Times/Hometrack: http://timesbusiness.typepad.com/money_web...ry-by-coun.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Knimbies who say No Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 (edited) Look at these prices for a 2 bedroom flat in Brunel Crescent (sn2 1FE): http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-104...=1&tr_t=buy http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-201...=1&tr_t=buy http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-190...=1&tr_t=buy According to property bee, they were all listed in May, and the price is roundabout what they were sold for (believe about 165k, although will vary slightly) now these two, listed about 10 days ago: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-222...=1&tr_t=buy http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-107...=1&tr_t=buy whopping drops. I appreciate there will be different specs, but all 2 bedrooms. I used to live in Brunel Crescent; indeed I was the first person to live in the flat since it was bought as a BTL. They are generally well specced flats, with the en-suite etc but there is no way I'd pay 160k for one. In fact I would not pay triple figures. Location is pretty bad, beside busy road. Properties such as these are ripe for large drops in my view. Just a BTL ghetto. I'll be keen to see how quickly the other prices come down, and whether the cheaper ones shift. Problem is, they are still not sufficiently discounted to the Old town prices to make them attractive. EDIT: Bovis ain't sold them all yet, either: http://www.bovishomes.co.uk/homes/index.cf...amp;devID=WSWWR Edited August 3, 2008 by cheeznbreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Knimbies who say No Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 now ~3450 properties for sale within 3 mile radius of Swindon- 4% up in under a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokissimo Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Can's see anything but carnage for flats in swindon: 200K for a 2 bed flat is laughable... 1) there's over-supply (as everywhere). Rents clearly dont support that even if you assume that all you want to do is cover the interest portion of 75% of the asking price... 2) actual "house" prices aren't anything like as over-inflated as some places: For under 200K you can potentialy get a 3 bed semi with 100ft garden in a good area of town: 3) New build sales appear to be slowing: Wichelstowe doesnt exactly appear to be racing ahead from what I can tell driving by on the M4...those companies are going to want some returns soon. Dont know if they'll ever finish "the amythist quarter" development at the top of marlborough road - obviously with cotswold devp's having gone bust I feel sorry for the few people that are living there and have a view of a 3/4 completed block of flats with scaffolding all over it... I'm keeping an eye on the "bath building" on bath road to see what the future holds: every so often they pop up for sale for less than was paid for them, then they appear to get rented out again: This seems to have been void for a while though: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-200...1&tr_t=rent 9,000 a year of rental income gets you a workable yield at what? a sale value of about 120,000 (being very generous). So thats about 50K less than was paid for it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Knimbies who say No Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Can's see anything but carnage for flats in swindon: 200K for a 2 bed flat is laughable...1) there's over-supply (as everywhere). Rents clearly dont support that even if you assume that all you want to do is cover the interest portion of 75% of the asking price... 2) actual "house" prices aren't anything like as over-inflated as some places: For under 200K you can potentialy get a 3 bed semi with 100ft garden in a good area of town: 3) New build sales appear to be slowing: Wichelstowe doesnt exactly appear to be racing ahead from what I can tell driving by on the M4...those companies are going to want some returns soon. Dont know if they'll ever finish "the amythist quarter" development at the top of marlborough road - obviously with cotswold devp's having gone bust I feel sorry for the few people that are living there and have a view of a 3/4 completed block of flats with scaffolding all over it... I'm keeping an eye on the "bath building" on bath road to see what the future holds: every so often they pop up for sale for less than was paid for them, then they appear to get rented out again: This seems to have been void for a while though: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-200...1&tr_t=rent 9,000 a year of rental income gets you a workable yield at what? a sale value of about 120,000 (being very generous). So thats about 50K less than was paid for it... yes, I agree. 1. 2 bed flats are all over the place. Bovis are having a laugh trying to shift the next phase at 189k. Everyone will have to go to 125k to be competitive, and then they are merely 'in the game' If they REALLY want to sell... Brunel Crescent is exactly the sort of development that exemplifies the bubble. Crappy location, almost completely homogenous ( mostly 2 bed ghetto, almost everyone I spoke to in there was renting from a BTL landlord) and silly-season prices. My landlord paid ~165k for the opportunity to earn £575/month rent. 2) yes, there are decent houses to be had at decent prices. Unfortunately, the swathes of new build which will have to be dumped onto the market sooner or later will surely depress prices a great deal. 3) The 'off-plan' prices at Wychelstowe are totally daft. It does not bode well for the area. I wonder what sort of discount to asking a developer would take if offered. I am in no hurry to get involved, but if the price was good enough I'd consider it. Swindon has a crazy amount of new build property, and it all has to go sometime. Happy days ahead.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Knimbies who say No Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Look at two bed terraces in the old town starting to appear sub 125k: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-223...=6&tr_t=buy http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-181...=6&tr_t=buy http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-210...=3&tr_t=buy http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-224...=5&tr_t=buy Surprisingly there are similar properties in the Manchester road area going for similar asking prices. I know where I'd rather be.. If the decent Old Town stuff is coming down to undercut similar property in much worse locations, the others will have to follow suit soon. Surely the ONLY reason you would buy in Manchester road area instead of Old Town is the price difference. It also makes all these new build two bed flats look well overpriced, ensuite or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athlete Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 What do people think of the prices of the terrace houses in Avenue road, old town? I like the area but think even if house price fall or not they are well over priced. Anyone have any guesses of what the houses will be going for early next year? I am renting at the moment and watching the houseing situation with a deposit ready to make an offer - but how long to wait and if I make an offer how much below the asking price? cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tastingstars Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 I went for a meeting in Swindon on Monday. There seems to have a massive slowdown in the building work on the Front Garden down towards the M4, and on the old Castrol head office site which was sold for development. Very few machines working, no sign of much construction beyond laying roads and drainage - don't know if that's due to the stage of the project but I can't imagine that any sensible company would be building hard right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Knimbies who say No Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 I went for a meeting in Swindon on Monday. There seems to have a massive slowdown in the building work on the Front Garden down towards the M4, and on the old Castrol head office site which was sold for development. Very few machines working, no sign of much construction beyond laying roads and drainage - don't know if that's due to the stage of the project but I can't imagine that any sensible company would be building hard right now. It's true, the pace seems to have slowed down somewhat, although not surprising if you've seen the off-plan prices for some of it: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-218...=1&tr_t=buy http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-218...=1&tr_t=buy some of it is more keenly priced, but it is not generally a big enough discount to make you think about taking the risk. Especially when there are similar new houses already built and waiting to be sold in other areas. http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-225...=1&tr_t=buy Athlete, I'm in a similar position. I do not like renting, but since house prices are falling by faster than my rent at the moment I'm happy to wait. Do you have a link to some of the properties you've seen? In my view, we're just getting to the tipping point where the sellers wanting unrealistic amounts are having to blink first and drop prices (see post on Brunel crescent). This will surely drag down everything else with it. I'll keep posting any observations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheresitgone Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 It's true, the pace seems to have slowed down somewhat, although not surprising if you've seen the off-plan prices for some of it: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-218...=1&tr_t=buy Can they be serious: * A 4.5 kilometre extension to the Wiltshire and Berkshire canal With all the flooding last year, is this a good selling point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheresitgone Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 What do people think of the prices of the terrace houses in Avenue road, old town? I like the area but think even if house price fall or not they are well over priced. Anyone have any guesses of what the houses will be going for early next year?I am renting at the moment and watching the houseing situation with a deposit ready to make an offer - but how long to wait and if I make an offer how much below the asking price? cheers For some reason the big Victorian houses in areas such as that seem to be ridiculously overpriced. Some don't even have garages or off road parking. With gas prices ever rising it makes me wonder how energy efficient these houses are. What makes them attractive now eg. their high ceilings and 'original sash' windows, might lead to a reduction in prices soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Knimbies who say No Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Can they be serious:* A 4.5 kilometre extension to the Wiltshire and Berkshire canal With all the flooding last year, is this a good selling point? hmm, good point. Having been running down that way (west of the site boundary) I can confirm the presence of rather boggy fields. It does seem to be a run-off drainage area for the old town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athlete Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 hmm, good point. Having been running down that way (west of the site boundary) I can confirm the presence of rather boggy fields. It does seem to be a run-off drainage area for the old town. I read on the developers website they have a 100 year insurance against flooding which put me off straight away! Obviously there is an underlying problem - not sure what insurance companies will do about this?? "For some reason the big Victorian houses in areas such as that seem to be ridiculously overpriced. Some don't even have garages or off road parking. With gas prices ever rising it makes me wonder how energy efficient these houses are. What makes them attractive now eg. their high ceilings and 'original sash' windows, might lead to a reduction in prices soon." http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-185...=1&tr_t=buy http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-185...=3&tr_t=buy a couple of samples above - seem very overpriced comparred to other properties - I know a good school at the end of the road helps keep prices high! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Knimbies who say No Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 large drops noticed: 125k down to 100k (still aint cheap imo): http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-216...29&tr_t=buy Old town, 137k down to 100k: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-158...29&tr_t=buy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Knimbies who say No Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-185...=1&tr_t=buyhttp://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-185...=3&tr_t=buy a couple of samples above - seem very overpriced comparred to other properties - I know a good school at the end of the road helps keep prices high! indeed athlete. Swimming pool or not, half a million is a lot for a 4 bedroom: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-166...=4&tr_t=buy I guess being in maybe the best location in Swindon, these houses will command a premium and will be the last to drop. However, they do look pricey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinecu Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Its not looking pretty for Swindon... http://www.home.co.uk/guides/house_prices_...&lastyear=1 Current house prices and total: http://www.home.co.uk/guides/house_prices....ocation=swindon still a lot of sellers dreaming but some are cutting at last: http://www.home.co.uk/search/price_info.ht...perty=359668001 http://www.home.co.uk/search/price_info.ht...perty=379311662 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Knimbies who say No Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Marketright EA on Commercial road are up for rent on their own site: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-226..._showcase=false Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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