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#16 Democorruptcy

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 11:29 AM

They had a bloke on the news from a lobbying group saying that there should be statutory lobbying groups. He said "bring it on".

What would a TV advertisement for a lobby group look like? How would they sell their business to prospective clients?

If you say "democorruptcy" quickly, it sounds a bit like "democracy". In a "democracy" people vote for politicians who represent their interests. In the UK's "democorruptcy" people can only vote for expense fiddling thieving MPs who are in the hip pocket of big business and the finance sector.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 11:40 AM

Democorruptcy, on 25 March 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

Likely a lobby group would look very like a (very small and unrepresentative) political party outside of the recognised mainstream parties but paying the mainstream parties to adopt it's unrepresentative policies.

So TV advertisements would have similarities to party political broadcasts - dramatic music, mood music, false sincerity, exaggerated claims and all the rest with the addition of brown envelopes or equivalent incentive at the ready.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 11:50 AM

hotairmail, on 25 March 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

We say that access to politicians should be equal. However, should the chief executive of BP or Glaxo have the ear of the Prime Minister or should they have the same access as a pensioner on disability allowance in Hartlepool? What about the Archbishop of Canterbury?

However its done, in a democracy access should never be awarded based on payment.

The Sunday Times story has exposed corruption. People should be calling it like it is.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 12:36 PM

This is not shocking. Indeed, this is the very basis upon which Market Liberal democracies operate. In academic circles it is called investor capture of government. To normal people, it is a complex web of bribery and corruption which is the sole basis upon which all political parties in the UK arrive at policy.

The Conservatives are not so much a political party as simply the function of a lot of very rich people trying to bribe ministers into helping them get even richer.

Thankfully one can't be sued for libelling a political party so feel free to repeat the above ad infinitum.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 01:33 PM

Am I alone in feeling that Mr Cruddas, with his dropped aitches; market trader's attitude and stale football metaphors would be more at home on a Bargain Bangers car sales lot than employed where he has been?

Who on earth hired this character?

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 01:49 PM

nmarks, on 25 March 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

However its done, in a democracy access should never be awarded based on payment.

The Sunday Times story has exposed corruption. People should be calling it like it is.

Yeah and the civil servants should not do their job for payment either.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 02:01 PM

You would really think political parties would be wise to the journalist with the hidden camera by now. Don't they google or check anyone out before spilling the beans, on how to access the PM?

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 02:17 PM

"Steed", on 25 March 2012 - 02:01 PM, said:

You would really think political parties would be wise to the journalist with the hidden camera by now.

Especially one who sounds like an undergraduate and starts salivating as soon as you say anything that would look good in a headline.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 02:28 PM

juvenal, on 25 March 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

Who on earth hired this character?

The same people he donated over £350,000 to.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 03:00 PM

Kudos to the Sunday Times for getting this on tape. I've just watched the video on the BBC site.

His only real mistake, of course, was to get caught.

Can we now all stop kidding ourselves that money+lobbying+politics = not a problem

Looking forward to someone from one of the other major parties getting caught out for exactly the same thing in the near future.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 03:09 PM

geezer466, on 25 March 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:

Thank, I will. The repulsion I feel at mainstream politics is terrible.

You could add Liebour to the above mind.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 03:21 PM

KingBingo, on 25 March 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

Yeah and the civil servants should not do their job for payment either.

Garbage.

There is a big difference between civil servants being paid by us via taxes to enact policies that were included in election manifesto's or similar, and thus have a democratic mandate, and politicians being paid by a wealthy group of plutocrats to represent their very narrow interests, instead of the general publics.

One is a democracy, the other is a banana republic.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 03:58 PM

Let me assure you, that if i had "access" to David Cameron, a very large stainless steel shovel might be inserted! :lol:

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 04:35 PM

dragonfly, on 25 March 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

This is a very big story. Number 10 according to Cruddas being used as a House of Bribery. Holier-than-thou Camera-on, obviously unaware (my ****) and suitably disgusted ( yeah we know Dave). He is the PM, he is the figure head of the Conservative Party, he laid out his stance over MP's expenses, he should resign immediately. Did Glaxo whisper in Osborne's ear at Restaurant George with regard to their statement the day after the Budget?

No not really.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 04:36 PM

MrPin, on 25 March 2012 - 03:58 PM, said: