interestrateripoff Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/feb/16/housing-benefit-cap-families-central-london Since the start of the year, staff at primary schools across central London (which have a much more local catchment area than secondaries) have begun working with parents to help families avoid being evicted as the consequences of the reduction in housing benefit begin to be felt.In Westminster, the borough most affected by the housing benefit cap, some schools could see up to 43% of pupils affected by the reduction in housing benefit, according to the council's preliminary forecasts, and across the borough 17% of primary pupils could be forced to move, internal data suggests. Although the process is only just beginning, headteachers and school governors are concerned at the disruption and say that the process of trying to support families who face losing their homes is proving time-consuming for staff. The cap on local housing allowance payments (the housing benefit paid to people in the private rental sector), which came into effect last month, is already causing an upheaval of families in central London, as parents who are no longer able to afford the rent on their family homes struggle to find alternative accommodation. Some families have already been forced into B&Bs or homeless hostels because the housing benefit they receive is no longer enough to cover their rent. Charities and local MPs say that over the next year, other families will be forced to leave the area, will crowd into smaller flats, or will try to meet the shortfall in rent by saving on food and heating expenditure. Spin or is the economic adjustment starting to happen. Clearly lowering rents is out of the question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwick-Watcher Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/feb/16/housing-benefit-cap-families-central-london Tough. Let them move to somewhere cheaper. Why are teachers helping anyway - we've got loads of social workers, outreach this and that workers for this. Real asylum seekers would be happy to be housed and fed in Middlesbrough or Glasgow. Why do they think they should be able to live in central London all the time? Spin or is the economic adjustment starting to happen. Clearly lowering rents is out of the question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackgoose Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Add school teachers in central london to the VI in keeping the money flowing. Heaven forbid that they get jobs at schools in the outskirts of London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trampa501 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I can't see rents falling in central London - there will always be Poles or Aussies or Spanish willing to share 4 to a room in order to realise their dream of working in McDs, a restaurant or coffee shop in London... The demand will always be there. I suppose it could help reduce the costs of providing schools in central London, as the families are forced out. If anything this may help stabilise rents in outer London as more people move away from the centre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frederico Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Oh well better find another school pronto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richc Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 This article really makes me angry. The BBC ran a programmea couple of days ago about the challenges faced by people working for local housing associations, and it raised a lot of interesting questions, but part of the show was about a woman who had just had her leg amputated and didn't have anywhere to live. She was forced to live in the hospital for six months (great use of money, that), until the council were able to find a bungalow that was wheelchair accessible. This bungalow was dire -- it looked like no maintenance had been done on the place since 1972 -- peeling paint, dirty carpets, lino coming up from the floor. Here was a person who really needed help, and they're dumped into some hole because all of the money in the system is going to these wasters in central London who think that they're too good to live outside Zone 1. A few miles away in Camden, Jo Stoakes has been living in an emergency hostel with her three children since she was evicted from her basement flat by her landlord last October, when it became clear that housing benefit reductions meant she would no longer be able to afford the rent. She was paying £525 a week, but the housing benefit, after the cap, would have paid only £340, and she was unable to make up the difference. She shares a small room with her five-year-old daughter; her 16-year-old daughter and 20-year-old son have been allocated rooms, separately, further along the institutional corridor of this council-run shelter. Yeah, right, a 20 year old and a 5 year old -- as if this woman didn't plan her kids in order to maximize her life on benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 So many things wrong with that story. Why is it the teachers business to help people to stay in the local area? If staying in a B&B is cheaper than their previous housing benefit level then they were getting too much. Even at £40 a night that's £1200 per month per person! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I'd like to live somewhere fabulous and handy for work but my ability to buy/rent somewhere is capped by the amount of tax I have to pay, the high cost of living and my earning potential. I have no choice. Life is hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRMX9 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Isn't it outrageous and a breech of their human rights that these poor people might be forced to leave central London - and move dare I say it to the horrors of outer London and zones 4-6. But come on - isn't that where all the people who work hard, pay the taxes that fund housing benefit and pay their own way have to live. Cos they - along with 99% of the UK population cannot afford to pay £500k for a one bed flat or £500 a week rent in central London. Let alone those poor central London Labour MPs who will lose their seats - because most of their voters are only living there due to the benefits system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Did they assist repossessed families as much? And if there's a LOT OF FAMILIES affected then surely moving them all to the same area will keep some friend structure in place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 This article really makes me angry. The BBC ran a programmea couple of days ago about the challenges faced by people working for local housing associations, and it raised a lot of interesting questions, but part of the show was about a woman who had just had her leg amputated and didn't have anywhere to live. She was forced to live in the hospital for six months (great use of money, that), until the council were able to find a bungalow that was wheelchair accessible. This bungalow was dire -- it looked like no maintenance had been done on the place since 1972 -- peeling paint, dirty carpets, lino coming up from the floor. Here was a person who really needed help, and they're dumped into some hole because all of the money in the system is going to these wasters in central London who think that they're too good to live outside Zone 1. The social housing haters on here think you get offered a palace. You don't. Quite often the places require decoration (sometime decorating vouchers are available). Its also pretty standard to rip out all carpets when the tenancy changes. Not every authority has brought up social housing to the acceptable housing standard. Luckily mine has (new kitchen, bathroom, shower and central heating) and I was fortunate to get a place in good decorative order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 The social housing haters on here think you get offered a palace. You don't. Quite often the places require decoration (sometime decorating vouchers are available). Its also pretty standard to rip out all carpets when the tenancy changes. Not every authority has brought up social housing to the acceptable housing standard. Luckily mine has (new kitchen, bathroom, shower and central heating) and I was fortunate to get a place in good decorative order. you dont need a palace...If you are going to have to fork out to make the place "home", then what you need is assurance you arent going in 12 months...or 2 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richc Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 The social housing haters on here think you get offered a palace. You don't. Quite often the places require decoration (sometime decorating vouchers are available). Its also pretty standard to rip out all carpets when the tenancy changes. Not every authority has brought up social housing to the acceptable housing standard. Luckily mine has (new kitchen, bathroom, shower and central heating) and I was fortunate to get a place in good decorative order. I did notice in the programme that the housing association offices were in a brand new building and nicely furnished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 you dont need a palace...If you are going to have to fork out to make the place "home", then what you need is assurance you arent going in 12 months...or 2 months. well exactly, its more like moving into a place you own, and you get a secure tenancy after being a good tenant for at least 12 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madpenguin Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 well exactly, its more like moving into a place you own, and you get a secure tenancy after being a good tenant for at least 12 months. Social housing is the UK or more particularly London's big problem, the old "If you can't afford it then you don't deserve to live here" argument falls down when you actually need to get things done at a basic level In the early 2000 I stayed in Bracknell which because of the computer industry property and rentals had gone through the roof; there where constant moans in the press and employers generally that people were unable to fill posts for the more ordinary jobs including police and the other emergency services because it was simply not possible for someone on an ordinary wage to live or commute there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 The social housing haters on here think you get offered a palace. I think that most posters on here are well aware that a ridiculous amount of money will no longer be enough to buy you a palace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicestersq Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 The social housing haters on here think you get offered a palace. You will find that claim difficult to prove. The quality of social housing varies, there are some very poor places, but some surprisingly good places too. I am not sure if Buckingham Palace qualifies as social housing. You don't. Though some places are worth a reputed 3/4 million. Not bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 You will find that claim difficult to prove. The quality of social housing varies, there are some very poor places, but some surprisingly good places too. I am not sure if Buckingham Palace qualifies as social housing. Though some places are worth a reputed 3/4 million. Not bad. You are suggesting Buck Pal is sold off to the highest bidder then? I gather Admiralty Arch was going to be used, but Prescott used it as his pick up pad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crash2006 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) I can't see rents falling in central London - there will always be Poles or Aussies or Spanish willing to share 4 to a room in order to realise their dream of working in McDs, a restaurant or coffee shop in London... The demand will always be there. I suppose it could help reduce the costs of providing schools in central London, as the families are forced out. If anything this may help stabilise rents in outer London as more people move away from the centre? Well that's what i'm trying to tell people on these forums, the one bed flat next door was rented by a couple landlord has put rents up, couple moved out and now i have 3 men and a girl (Latvian and Spanish) living in a one bed next door, paying the hew high rents. This is why this country is the way it is they have destroyed social housing in this country, taxed the poor and imposed all the financial problems onto the poor. BTW if my rent goes up i'm quitting work and signing on, i'm not willing to given up more quality of life just to spend time traveling and earning less. Edited February 17, 2012 by crash2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellerkat Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 BTW if my rent goes up i'm quitting work and signing on... You might still have to commute to a distant Tesco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybernoid Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 "Housing Benefit Cap Forces Families To Leave Central London Or Be Homeless" or "Turns out you can't live somewhere expensive if you don't make enough money" Those nasty tories! I want free everything! gimme gimme gimme! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Isn't it outrageous and a breech of their human rights ... Using that logic it is a breach of my human rights to pay tax as I now can't afford to live in central london. Is there a no win no fee lawyer for human right breeches ? IMy human rights are being violated in so many ways right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) Well that's what i'm trying to tell people on these forums, the one bed flat next door was rented by a couple landlord has put rents up, couple moved out and now i have 3 men and a girl (Latvian and Spanish) living in a one bed next door, paying the hew high rents. I'd be tempted to report it as an illegal overcrowded HMO just for extra PITA factor. Edited February 17, 2012 by "Steed" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I would have thought fewer children living in central London would mean fewer teachers required...anyway central London is not the best place to bring up kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crash2006 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I would have thought fewer children living in central London would mean fewer teachers required...anyway central London is not the best place to bring up kids. add east and south east london. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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