interestrateripoff Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 http://rt.com/on-air/moscow-skyscraper-federation-fire/ Moscow's Federation Tower, designed to be the tallest building in Europe, has caught fire in Moscow's business center. As firefighters try to put out the flames on the top floors, the danger the incomplete building might collapse is growing every minute. Still at least they could rebuild it to boost GDP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted April 2, 2012 Author Share Posted April 2, 2012 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/02/moscow-federation-tower-fire_n_1397623.html MOSCOW -- Firefighting helicopters are trying to put out a spectacular blaze atop an under-construction Moscow skyscraper, planned to be Europe's tallest building. Orange flames were leaping about 250 meters (880 feet) Monday, visible in the night sky to much of the city. No injuries have been reported at the fire in the eastern tower of the Federation Tower complex, part of a massive development along the Moscow River about 2.5 kilometers (1.5 miles) west of the Kremlin. Who's financing the tower? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/02/moscow-federation-tower-fire_n_1397623.html Who's financing the tower? RBS? HBOS? They usually know a good deal when they see it. Pity, im sure the offices were selling like hot cakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sesim Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 http://rt.com/on-air/moscow-skyscraper-federation-fire/ Still at least they could rebuild it to boost GDP. No doubt someone will be Putin it out soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer466 Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Nonsense it won't fall down!! Buildings don't fall down just because they catch fire!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Nonsense it won't fall down!! Buildings don't fall down just because they catch fire!! Hmmm Fire ... tall buildings ... collapse ... on an internet forum You don't need psychic abilities to see where this one is going Until the BBC reports the building has fallen down twenty minutes before it actually falls down I'm not having any of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sims Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Until the BBC reports the building has fallen down twenty minutes before it actually falls down I'm not having any of it Even worse, the BBC isn't reporting it at all. Information blackout!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Until the BBC reports the building has fallen down twenty minutes before it actually falls down I'm not having any of it No planes involved, just planes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamdamosuzuki Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Tasteless talk costs lives. You should all expect a visit from the Home office dept of internet freedom any minute.TROLLS I tell theee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted April 2, 2012 Author Share Posted April 2, 2012 Nonsense it won't fall down!! Buildings don't fall down just because they catch fire!! Can't we just have a bit of drama. Fire and Collapse, Faculty of Architecture Building, Delft University of Technology: Data Collection and Preliminary Analyses ABSTRACTOn the morning of May 13, 2008, a fire that started in a coffee vending machine on the 6th floor of the 13-story Faculty of Architecture Building at the Delft University of Technology (TUD), Delft, the Netherlands, quickly developed into an extreme loading event. Although all building occupants evacuated safely, the rapid fire spread severely impacted fire department operations, allowing the fire to burn uncontrolled for several hours, eventually resulting in the structural collapse of a major portion of the building. With the fire continuing to burn after collapse, damage was ultimately significant enough that the building had to be demolished. Collecting and archiving data from this fire is extremely important because structural collapse of high-rise buildings due to fire has historically been quite rare. There are several reasons for this, from the overall infrequency of fire ignition in high-rise buildings, to the combination of structural fire resistance of the frame, fire-rated compartment barriers, automatic fire suppression systems, and fire department suppression activities generally associated with the fire protection strategy for high-rise buildings. This event offers a unique opportunity to study the performance of a codecompliant high-rise building in a major fire wherein the outcome was different than might typically be expected. In order to facilitate analyses of this event, researchers in the United States, under a Small Grant for Exploratory Research (SGER) from the National Science Foundation (NSF award 0840601), teamed up with researchers from TNO and Efectis in the Netherlands, along with Prof. Kees van Weeren of the TUD Faculty of Architecture, to collect data on the fire and collapse. A summary of data collected and outcomes of preliminary analyses are presented. Rare but it's not impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erat_forte Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Yes but that was a coffee vending machine and everyone knows those are demonic abominations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John The Pessimist Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 How long before the first photo of a bare chested Putin walking out through the flames carrying an elderly babushka? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluffy666 Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Yes but that was a coffee vending machine and everyone knows those are demonic abominations. Coffee vending machines - and all who use them - are tools of the NWO. True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Dan Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Yes but that was a coffee vending machine and everyone knows those are demonic abominations. It's in Russia so it was probably the vodka vending machine. That building is toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 Even worse, the BBC isn't reporting it at all. Information blackout!!! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17593399 Blackout lifted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 What did they have up on top of there to cause such a fire? Gas bottles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulboy Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Buildings can and are falling in fire. - Timber ones - obvious why - Metal frames - steel does not burn but at certain temperature will start sagging, eventually loosing support. Once a member fails the structural scheme changes. it may survive but part of it usually collapses; -concrete buildings: again when heated concrete does not burn but at certain temerature may start spalling exposing the reinforcement. Reinforcement usually is on the bottom side of elements where the heat is most intense (fire from the floor beneath, just think M1). Usually the buildings are protected from fire BUT to allow sufficient time for evacuation. My link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RufflesTheGuineaPig Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Nonsense it won't fall down!!Buildings don't fall down just because they catch fire!! Especially not with people stood waving out of the windows in the areas where the fire is so intense it "melts the steel structure". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer466 Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 The melting (or weakening point) of steel is quite high and not normally reached in a common building fire. Remembering the usual combustibles which due to continual leglisation have had their ability to burn reduced over the years. In a common British house for example it would be the soft furnishings and of course the furniture. If the fire was particularly fierce or it was some minutes before the blaze was tackled it would be able to burn through normal plasterboard (which I believe has to carry a 30 minute fire rating). Then of course it is into the timber joists and floorboards on upper levels. Once these were gone then the interior (all that enclosed within the brick walls) would collapse in on itself. Walls themselves would only be taken down if they were struck by say a large section of the roof on the way down. Modern office buildings and sky scrapers have very little wooden construction so would not burn in the same fashion. Yes office furniture and soft furnishings but enough to reach a temperature to affect the integrity of steel? Part of the explanation into the towers was the aviation fuel released allowed the fire to burn at a much higher temperature. Just what the feck was in that coffee machine??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluffy666 Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Especially not with people stood waving out of the windows in the areas where the fire is so intense it "melts the steel structure". Steel melting has not, as far as I am aware, ever been proposed as the collapse mechanism for any building collapse.. mind you, it does lose a lot of strength even at 500 degrees C, which would be a problem for a compromised structure. Your average bonfire burns at perhaps 800-1000 degrees C.. how far away do you need to stand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilchardthecat Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 since when was Moscow in Europe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluffy666 Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 since when was Moscow in Europe? 1812? Edit.. European Russia tends to be informally defined as anything West of a line through the Ural mountains down to the Caspian Sea.. you can then draw a line through the Caucasus to the black sea to defined Europe. Then you ave to decide if Turkey is European or not.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 It was "Going" to be the tallest building in Europe...what is it now?..was it near completion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilchardthecat Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Always. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe Not always Europe was everything west of the German Empire - with Russia to the East and the Ottoman Empire to the south east. The divide being a line from the German Baltic to the Black sea [pic]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Map_Europe_alliances_1914-en.svg[/pic] Some history being re-written there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluffy666 Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Not always Europe was everything west of the German Empire - with Russia to the East and the Ottoman Empire to the south east. The divide being a line from the German Baltic to the Black sea [pic]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Map_Europe_alliances_1914-en.svg[/pic] Some history being re-written there I think we need a game of Diplomacy on HPC to sort this out.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomacy_(game) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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