Young people’s happiness hits lowest in a decade!

[cnick]

On 4/10/2018 at 4:50 AM, winkie said:

.....because people want and expect the perfect life, the perfect job, the perfect partner and children, perfect friends, perfect face and body, perfect house.......perfection doesn't exist.

Lower expectations, rights and entitlements......then every improvement is a bonus.

...... It does, if you're Mr & Mrs Tony c^^t(s) Blair.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4712322/Tony-Cherie-Blair-buy-38-homes-leaving-office.html

Seems to be inverse correlation between the 'happiness' of the price out young...... and the Bliars.

What can happen to dispairing young people without hope.....

......according to....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/jordan/1397696/Anger-at-Cherie-sympathy-for-suicide-bombers.html

 

 

[GregBowman]

2 hours ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said:

I had to put up with a church and a marriage guidance weekend - yuck!

As I am fairly notorious for speaking out in public against people with whose opinions I disagree, especially on religion (I am an Atheist), I was under strict instructions not to upset the Vicar.

The irony is now my wife has completely changed her views and wouldn’t have wanted a wedding in a church if we were getting married today.

I am a functional catholic, I like all the pomp! But even for me it seems so bonkers the different approach, We wanted to get married in a lovely country church near our reception venue and approached with some trepidation. My wife is of your views! Priest was great - said what a great idea I will ring my mate who knows the other priest. We enquired about my Wife and he said have a great day worry about all that stuff later - got to say won my wife over a bit with his  genuine fisher of men attitude (she thinks us catholics are like a corporation with all the cardinals in Rome running around in limos and Boss suits....she has a point )

[winkie]

5 hours ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said:

I had to put up with a church and a marriage guidance weekend - yuck!

As I am fairly notorious for speaking out in public against people with whose opinions I disagree, especially on religion (I am an Atheist), I was under strict instructions not to upset the Vicar.

The irony is now my wife has completely changed her views and wouldn’t have wanted a wedding in a church if we were getting married today.

As an atheist you have just a strong belief as any other person who has another belief/faith......freedom of choice.

[kzb]

On ‎14‎/‎04‎/‎2018 at 6:28 PM, winkie said:

My point is, when a man marries a woman he does not own them......the father supposedly gives the bride away!!!!!

My point was that the woman effectively owns the man.  If you are married or not makes little difference.

If you have a disagreement about money you can now be arrested for domestic abuse.  This may also apply if you don't pay up your child support in time, i.e it will become a criminal offense classed in the same league as violence.

As a young man you should be up in arms about this, not cuddling up to poor tax dodging female BBC presenters who get smaller five figure salaries than the men.

[winkie]

26 minutes ago, kzb said:

My point was that the woman effectively owns the man.  If you are married or not makes little difference.

If you have a disagreement about money you can now be arrested for domestic abuse.  This may also apply if you don't pay up your child support in time, i.e it will become a criminal offense classed in the same league as violence.

As a young man you should be up in arms about this, not cuddling up to poor tax dodging female BBC presenters who get smaller five figure salaries than the men.

So what you are saying is that it is the women that are making young men unhappy?......not all men are unhappy with women, I am sorry the ones you have had experience with have not been satisfactory, there are also men that are not satisfactory, some people are not of ideal marriage material.

[Errol]

Marriage itself is not fit for purpose. Outdated and no longer works in a world where there is supposed to be total equality.

[kzb]

2 hours ago, winkie said:

So what you are saying is that it is the women that are making young men unhappy?......not all men are unhappy with women, I am sorry the ones you have had experience with have not been satisfactory, there are also men that are not satisfactory, some people are not of ideal marriage material.

Well, most relationships break up. 

A large proportion of children are in single-parent households or in households where the adult male is not the parent of the children.

This is a major source of angst and unhappiness in our current society.

[kzb]

1 hour ago, Errol said:

Marriage itself is not fit for purpose. Outdated and no longer works in a world where there is supposed to be total equality.

Exactly, gender equality somehow goes out of consideration when relationships break down.

[Slimline]

2 hours ago, Errol said:

Marriage itself is not fit for purpose. Outdated and no longer works in a world where there is supposed to be total equality.

This. I've seen may a bloke totally screwed when a marriage fails, that alone puts me off for life! One chap she proposed an 80/20 split of the assets in her favour even though she didn't work!!

[winkie]

16 minutes ago, kzb said:

Well, most relationships break up. 

A large proportion of children are in single-parent households or in households where the adult male is not the parent of the children.

This is a major source of angst and unhappiness in our current society.

Relationships do break up.......nothing to do with whether married or not though, in years past there was a stigma with 'divorce' today not so......that is why marriage is so outdated, the same negative consequences for children when any relationship breaks down....emotions, and other impacts including financial for children in particular imo are the same, whether married or not.

Ask yourself what is worse, staying in a damaging relationship for all concerned or exiting with the hope of building a new life with a chance of possible future happiness for all concerned?....... 

You say most relationships break up, I would agree, few meet one person and stay with them for life......but I don't agree most relationships where children would be adversely affected do break up......most responsible people do try if they can protect their children from that loss and emotional trauma when at a young age so most vulnerable....

[kzb]

22 minutes ago, winkie said:

Relationships do break up.......nothing to do with whether married or not though, in years past there was a stigma with 'divorce' today not so......that is why marriage is so outdated, the same negative consequences for children when any relationship breaks down....emotions, and other impacts including financial for children in particular imo are the same, whether married or not.

Ask yourself what is worse, staying in a damaging relationship for all concerned or exiting with the hope of building a new life with a chance of possible future happiness for all concerned?....... 

You say most relationships break up, I would agree, few meet one person and stay with them for life......but I don't agree most relationships where children would be adversely affected do break up......most responsible people do try if they can protect their children from that loss and emotional trauma when at a young age so most vulnerable....

Fatherhood has been criminalised. 

In fact, criminals get treated better.

You're missing the point.

[winkie]

24 minutes ago, kzb said:

Fatherhood has been criminalised. 

In fact, criminals get treated better.

You're missing the point.

Fathers are very important to children.....children come first.

 

Children can't pick their parents.

Edited April 16, 2018 by winkie

[happyguy]

On 4/10/2018 at 9:59 AM, Dorkins said:

"Life is brutally unfair" is not some fixed absolute truth, the amount and type of unfairness in society changes over time. Go back a few decades and the average full time worker could reasonably expect to use their wages to buy an average house in their local area

Go back a bit further they would have been involved in a world war - that is reason to be stressed an unhappy but people then just got in with it 

[happyguy]

On 4/10/2018 at 6:04 AM, BlokeInDurham said:

because people want and expect the perfect life, the perfect job, the perfect partner and children, perfect friends, perfect face and body, perfect house.......perfection doesn't exist.

Lower expectations, rights and entitlements......then every improvement is a bonus.

They are the most mollycoddled generation of all time.  From birth they are told they are special, can have anything they want, are super intelligent, are equal to everyone else in all respects.  They receive no discipline at school or home.  Sadly they are lied to and when that that reality comes home they feel confused and see that the they feel is misplaced.  

 

On 4/10/2018 at 6:25 AM, winkie said:

That seems a very odd approach. Would you say then that if people stopped expecting the right to life you'd improve the problem with murder? Not from less people getting murdered of course (I'd most likely go up, if we valued life less), but simply because it'd be perceived as less of an ill because people weren't expecting not to get murdered.

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On 4/10/2018 at 6:25 AM, winkie said:

The pertinent characteristic of expectations is surely not if they are high or low, but if they are reasonable and desirable. If you are a member of a society or say 60 million people with a shared existence on a landmass, for instance, is it reasonable or unreasonable to expect roughly a 60 millionth share of the right to usage of that landmass? Is that a desirable aim for the running of that society?

In any society there are inequality not all people are equal.  There are many people who have more money than me but I am not jealous I say "good luck".  

 

On 4/10/2018 at 8:16 AM, hurlerontheditch said:

On 4/10/2018 at 8:15 AM, winkie said:

....square eyes.......artificial friends.

unable to handle 3D relationships

very true - my kids do not use any social media they do the old fashioned thing of have a few close mates they go for a drink or to a club with, play sport do not have 100s of "friends" on Me-book

 

On 4/10/2018 at 9:22 AM, Dorkins said:

always find it amusing when older people say "the trouble with these young Corbynistas is they don't remember the basket case economy of the 70s blah blah blah". If you're a younger person living in the UK today you are likely carrying a huge student loan, your wage wouldn't have looked out of place 20+ years ago, you live in an insecure private rental that eats up a big chunk of your income and you have no realistic prospect of buying or getting a council house, you are accumulating a pathetic defined contribution pension etc. If you're in that position the UK already is a basket case economy i.e. one where there is no meaningful link between effort and reward.

They do not have to have a huge loan.  In days gone by a tiny number of people went to uni.  The taxpayer cannot afford to pay for thousand of people to study rubbish like film studies sociology sports science which may be very interesting, easy but are worthless in the workplace.

The Corbynistas do not get it they support a man and a party who want mass immigration, take in loads of refugees which increases demand for housing and encourages BTL then they whine that they cannot buy a house or get one from the LA.  They do not understand the basic concept of supply and demand.  

The UK is not a basket case economy it is going very well.  

On 4/10/2018 at 9:50 AM, Errol said:

This is part of the problem. Everyone, even the thick and those with poor degrees, seems to think they can have the 'City lifestyle'. 

Lots of people are having a well overdue wake-up call. 

The snowflake generation has never really had to face up to the truth or the fact that life is brutally unfair. Now that they are entering the real world the reality is being forced on them.

I should add, their parents are to blame. They haven't shown their children the brutal reality of life and instead chose to sugar coat everything.

On 4/10/2018 at 9:28 AM, Locke said:

An economy which doesn't work.

I might still vote for him, just because of his being the lone voice of reason in the Skripal case and the fact he would burn it all down via Socialism as it desperately needs. Too much deadwood.

I will not vote for any one who wants mass immigration and puts flowers on hamas terrorists graves

On 4/10/2018 at 9:16 AM, Dorkins said:

Don't worry, rich people will still be able to move around freely, it's just the plebs who need to stay in their assigned pens.

You can pay for free flight to France if you wish

 

 

On 4/10/2018 at 9:50 AM, Errol said:

This is part of the problem. Everyone, even the thick and those with poor degrees, seems to think they can have the 'City lifestyle'. 

Lots of people are having a well overdue wake-up call. 

The snowflake generation has never really had to face up to the truth or the fact that life is brutally unfair. Now that they are entering the real world the reality is being forced on them.

I should add, their parents are to blame. They haven't shown their children the brutal reality of life and instead chose to sugar coat everything.

Edited Tuesday at 09:57 AM by Errol

Very true.  A worthless degree = a low paid job.  Agree when my son was looking at uni we had a long hard chat about it and the ramifications.  He opted to train a gas engineer.  Last year he earned  77k and is buying his own home and running his own business in the real word, not living in a cossetted student environment.  

[kzb]

10 minutes ago, winkie said:

Fathers are very important to children.....children come first.

Well I was putting this forward as a major source of unhappiness in our society.

The fact that you have effectively no right to parenthood, except to pay for it.

Anyhow, I will shut up now, because it seems everyone is blissfully happy with the current arrangements.  I was wrong about it causing unhappiness. 

All I can say is the pseudoestrogens and medications are much more effective than I thought.

[winkie]

9 minutes ago, happyguy said:

 

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Not something I actually quoted, not my words.....

[winkie]

17 minutes ago, kzb said:

Well I was putting this forward as a major source of unhappiness in our society.

The fact that you have effectively no right to parenthood, except to pay for it.

Anyhow, I will shut up now, because it seems everyone is blissfully happy with the current arrangements.  I was wrong about it causing unhappiness. 

All I can say is the pseudoestrogens and medications are much more effective than I thought.

Bringing children into this world is a big responsibility, they don't come cheap, they are a lifetime commitment.......who you are helps make what your children will be.

 

Edited April 16, 2018 by winkie

[happyguy]

On 4/10/2018 at 3:56 PM, Dorkins said:

Young person here. Just joined the site (thanks mods). 

I am about to graduate medical school and even amongst my fellow graduates many are despondent even as working as a doctor in the NHS. Some, because the idealism does not pan out IRL. Others, like me, realise that with the recent shitty contracts imposed upon us by the secretary of state for health, the hard work simply will not pay for the lifestyle that our parents had.

Sadly this guy demonstrates the point 100%.  He is going to be a doctor earning 100k a year but that is not enough.  He still has a sense of entitlement that is beyond belief.  Would he have rather been a miner in the 70's, or a milkman, or a steel worker , or on a production line?  No of course not but he still whinges and whines. 

What do you actually want son ?  A free house and car?

My daughter is a doctor she earns very good money and had bought her own house in Kew.  She does not whine and is grateful to be in her position.  

On 4/10/2018 at 4:05 PM, macca13 said:

Agree re. the whinging and mental health BS. Too much time on their hands? Stop analysing life through the facebook echo chamber and get on with living it! Toughen up flower.

They cannot cope with the normal stresses that other generations dealt with.  Can you imagine what they would have been like on the Somme!   They would be stressed because it was a bit muddy. 

On 4/10/2018 at 4:05 PM, macca13 said:

That’s the governments job to make things fair and keep society happy and working hard! 

No it is not.  The govt is not responsible for every one we all have yo look after ourselves.  All the govt does is provide for those who are ill.  

On 4/10/2018 at 4:25 PM, irrationalactor said:

 It's the self-serving idiots in power intent on perpetuating a system that has enslaved almost everyone lacking a massive inheritance.

All the referendums have gone the way of the establishment, cementing the power of the rich, tax-avoiding class.  Even the last one is shaping up to be less a revolution and more an excuse for even more economic exploitation.  And finally, even the Internet - my generation's last frontier of freedom now that every inch of every continent has been mapped - is getting regulated and turned into just another propaganda tool. 

Maybe it's just getting older, but I don't think so.  I think the outlook is bleaker now than it was back then.

I'm pretty sure that if I'd have been born twenty years earlier my original plan of "earn money and save a deposit and buy a flat and save a pension" would have actually been a viable option.  Loads of people twenty years older than me did it and raised families and stuff quite successfully.  I don't need Instagram to see that.

How have they enslaved you exactly?  

They have not gone the way of the establishment at all the establishment wanted to stray in the EU

How has the vote to leave the EU making you economically exploited.  

[Errol]

For the hours they do, Doctors are simply not paid enough. Someone on say £40,000 a year could work 9-5, an hour for lunch and very little stress. A Doctor may get £70,000+ a year but they do more than twice the hours and have massive, massive amounts of stress.

Absolutely not worth it, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the number of Doctors dropping over time (a bit like teachers).

[happyguy]

On 4/11/2018 at 1:07 PM, scottbeard said:

On 4/11/2018 at 11:41 AM, ccc said:

Agreed. Yet the cheerleaders for all this LBGXTINDFTNSSMSLJEH+ agenda are also the very same people who have been cheerleading equality for years and telling everyone 'We are all the same'.

It doesn't add up. You cant have both.

If they want to put people into boxes then fine. But stop telling us we are all the same. We clearly are not.

If they want to keep telling us we are all the same then fine. But stop putting people into boxes.

I don't think campaigners for equality have necessarily been saying "We are all the same".  I think they've been saying "We all want to be treated equally."

And actually I think it goes beyond that - into not just treating everyone equally at face value, but actually being more mindful of groups other than the group you find yourself in.

For example, it seems equal at face value to say to "everyone is invited to the office social"  but then if it turns out that the social event is a wine-tasting evening, all of a sudden a chunk of your office is excluded (because they're pregnant, or muslim, or teetotal for health reasons etc).  Now this doesn't mean that you can't ever have an office wine-tasting event, but it does mean that maybe the next social should be something that doesn't exclude those people, like ten-pin bowling or whatever, rather than every single event being centred around drinking alcohol.

Sorry you are wrong.  From the moment kids are born they are told that we are all the same.  They look at those who have money good jobs nice home and think " I am the same as those people" - they do not look at those who are poor have low paid jobs no home and think" I am the same as those people".  

This is not a muslim nation if muslims live here they have to understand that and get on with it or feel excluded.   They can also choose to go to an event and not drink alcohol if they wish to integrate into UK society.  If they choose to exclude themselves that is their own choice.  

[Errol]

Treating everyone as equal is just inviting everyone to the wine tasting. People are free to accept or decline equally. 

[winkie]

18 minutes ago, Errol said:

Treating everyone as equal is just inviting everyone to the wine tasting. People are free to accept or decline equally. 

We are of all equal value....just thankfully we are not all the same....value does not mean monetary value......richer people are not worth more.

[Freki]

1 hour ago, happyguy said:

Sadly this guy demonstrates the point 100%.  He is going to be a doctor earning 100k a year but that is not enough.  He still has a sense of entitlement that is beyond belief.  Would he have rather been a miner in the 70's, or a milkman, or a steel worker , or on a production line?  No of course not but he still whinges and whines. 

You are really making a newbie mistake. Income does not equal to wealth. This cheap "money" (debt) has moved the needle and younger people are priced out. Also it takes time to reach GP. They don't start at 100k, nor is that the average (£90k it is)

Get your facts right

[Dorkins]

4 hours ago, happyguy said:

Go back a bit further they would have been involved in a world war - that is reason to be stressed an unhappy but people then just got in with it 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_shock

[scottbeard]

3 hours ago, Errol said:

Treating everyone as equal is just inviting everyone to the wine tasting. People are free to accept or decline equally. 

And that's absolutely fine as a one-off.

It only becomes a problem if every social is just Friday night at the pub/wine bar.  Then it's not really equal in aggregate because you're always appealing to the same bunch and leaving the same others out.