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6 hours ago, Peter Hun said:

I you consider snivelling traitor an admirable trait. Or you are a russian tool.

So everybody here who doesn't believe the government story is a 'russian tool' according to you? :rolleyes:

You clearly would have been loyal to Hitler too if you had lived in Germany during the '30s...

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A relatively balanced article. Evidently all the people who work at the Independent are Russian agents:

 

Jeremy Corbyn was right to be cautious about blaming Moscow for the Skripal poisoning

“A senior government minister and his department have been caught out in falsehoods, and those falsehoods have underpinned a foreign policy track that pulled dozens of other countries in behind us. This would seem to me to be a resigning matter for the foreign secretary – especially as it entails a fault – the fault of truth-bending – on which he has form. If the claims made by the UK about Russia and the Skripals show more signs of unravelling, then more heads must roll. The heads of the two intelligence services – MI5 and MI6 – whose predecessors should have had to resign over Iraq – and who come under the auspices of the Foreign Office.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-sergei-skripal-theresa-may-novichok-russia-spy-poisoning-moscow-a8288826.html

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1 hour ago, zugzwang said:

 You want to talk treason, Tory boy? Really? :lol:

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I would have posted the same photos Zug. As I despise our greedy, useless and out-of-touch governments for the last 40 years. Especially the Tories who function only to fill their pockets as the images above prove.

But ...

What are we supposed to do? Learn Russian, cope with Cyrillics and only eat Borsch? You would really not like living in Russia unless you are one of the inner cirle sycophants. Russians should never be underestimated. They have had centuries of honing the art of deception down to a laser point of perfection. Just ask Errol.

What we need here is some people in charge that work for the country and with brains. They would have had the same response against Russia - but it would have been much better planned and thought out. This lot, no wonder Putin can smell a lame duck. We need people working for us for a change, not their bank balance.

The world has suddenly become a much more dangerous place and useful idiots will only make it more so.

 

 

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, jonb2 said:

 

What are we supposed to do? Learn Russian, cope with Cyrillics and only eat Borsch? You would really not like living in Russia unless you are one of the inner cirle sycophants. Russians should never be underestimated. They have had centuries of honing the art of deception down to a laser point of perfection. Just ask Errol.

What we need here is some people in charge that work for the country and with brains. They would have had the same response against Russia - but it would have been much better planned and thought out. This lot, no wonder Putin can smell a lame duck. We need people working for us for a change, not their bank balance.

The world has suddenly become a much more dangerous place and useful idiots will only make it more so.

 

 

 

 

 

I couldn't agree more.

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Where are Sergei Skripal’s cats and guinea pigs?

It has been reported the Skripals kept two cats and two guinea pigs. While it is unclear exactly where Sergei Skripal and his daughter was poisoned, there is a possibility it happened in their home. “This is about living creatures, and if a toxic chemical agent was indeed used in their house, these living creatures should have been hurt.”

“Where are the pets?” said Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova. “What is their condition?” inews

 

There are still a lot of unanswered questions that need to be answered.

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5 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

Not that it makes any difference but the Russian (Novichok) scientist, who lives in the USA, said weeks ago that whilst there is no cure for Novichok there is an antidote that needs to be taken regularly. A bit like AIDS, you take the pills and live, stop and you die.

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2 hours ago, zugzwang said:

Russians must be pissed that we engineered a antidote to their supposed perfect assassination weapon.

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4 hours ago, Bruce Banner said:

Not that it makes any difference but the Russian (Novichok) scientist, who lives in the USA, said weeks ago that whilst there is no cure for Novichok there is an antidote that needs to be taken regularly. A bit like AIDS, you take the pills and live, stop and you die.

News to me, Bruce. And very interesting. It means that Porton Down could potentially identify the substance as a novichok by testing the efficacy of the antidote (in mice etc. as well as the Skripals) which they've either obtained from the US or synthesised themselves, while legitimately claiming not to possess the actual poison.

 

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45 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

News to me, Bruce. And very interesting. It means that Porton Down could potentially identify the substance as a novichok by testing the efficacy of the antidote (in mice etc. as well as the Skripals) which they've either obtained from the US or synthesised themselves, while legitimately claiming not to possess the actual poison.

 

I think they indirectly confirm it.

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Gary Aitkenhead, the chief executive of the government’s Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (DSTL), said: “There’s no way that anything like that would ever have come from us or leave the four walls of our facilities.” Guardian

 

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Whether we can prove Moscow’s involvement in the Skripal case or not is irrelevant

The Russians response to all of this is to say “prove it”, as if in a court of law. Even on a legal test such as being beyond reasonable doubt or on the balance of probabilities, the Russians are plainly culpable. Yet a legal standard of proof is not required for countries to make a judgement and to take appropriate action, as so many of Britain’s friends and allies around the world have done.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/russia-nerve-agent-attack-uk-sergei-skripal-west-diplomats-poisoning-uk-a8288661.html

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4 hours ago, Peter Hun said:

The most obvious explanation for the events in Salisbury is food poisoning - a paralytic reaction to shell fish poisoning - something Skripal's neice Viktoria clearly believes to be the case hence the FCO's otherwise incomprehensible decision to deny her a visa. The Zizzi fish restaurant remains closed some 4 1/2 weeks after the incident took place. Again, incomprehensible when the attack vector is supposed to have been the Skripal's front door! The police officer DS Nick Bailey became very slightly disoriented by contact with bodily fluids from the Skripals at the park bench, not when he visited the Skripals house - did he attempt mouth-to-mouth before the paramedics arrived? Quite possibly. Salisbury Hospital began treating the Skripals for food poisoning the minute they were admitted hence the doctor's report on March 18th that none of its patients were being treated for nerve agent exposure.

Conclusion: the entire novichok/doorknob story is a false flag exercise dreamt up by MI6 and the British govt to smear Putin and further isolate Russia from the rest of the world. A high stakes game with a lot of fancy angles any one of which can unravel at a moment's notice, as Boris Johnson unwittingly discovered. The UK is carrying the argument thus far, but this thing has miles and miles to run yet. At least one good thing seems likely come of it though, Russian oligarchs are going to find it much harder to launder their dirty money through the London property market than they have up 'til now.

 

 

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