Paxman lays into Pensioners on Housing

[juvenal]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5370159/Ban-spoilt-elderly-voting-says-Jeremy-Paxman.html

A lot of home truths...

[Noallegiance]

It's a shame that our society doesn't revere the same opinion when it comes out of a thirty-something on £20k per year. But an unscathed millionaire should be listened to.

[Sancho Panza]

Where was he back in 07 when Evan Davis was Economics Editor for the Beeb in the run up to the crisis that shafted taxpayers?

[rantnrave]

18 minutes ago, Sancho Panza said:

Where was he back in 07 when Evan Davis was Economics Editor for the Beeb in the run up to the crisis that shafted taxpayers?

He was writing pieces like this in 2011:

'I am part of the most selfish generation in history and we should be ashamed of our legacy,' says Jeremy Paxman

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055497/JEREMY-PAXMAN-Baby-Boomers-selfish-generation-history.html

[Fence]

Nothing to see here, same old same old, move along:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Paxman

Has more in common with the elite who has been driving this country than some OAP.

Stopping granny voting at 65?  Better off stopping public school Oxbridge types becoming MPs! 

 

Edited February 9, 2018 by Fence

[AdamoMucci]

What a dangerous man Paxman is. People should get chills at these sorts of ideas that ever suggest that this group or that group should not be allowed to vote.

Fvcking sick of these born to rule elitists spouting off.

[AdamoMucci]

How about we stop all government and quasi-government employees from being allowed to vote? Conflict of interest there too.

 

[thewig]

establishment shill says...

 

[spacedin]

The level of upvoting of angry responses in the comments section suggests the site is largely frequented by old fogies....

A little like Fox News in the US. WIll be interesting to see how popular that hate rag is in 10 or 20 years from now. 

[Dorkins]

9 hours ago, AdamoMucci said:

What a dangerous man Paxman is. People should get chills at these sorts of ideas that ever suggest that this group or that group should not be allowed to vote.

Fvcking sick of these born to rule elitists spouting off.

I don't think he really means over 65s should be disenfranchised, it's a way of getting attention so pensioners hear his real message which is that they should stop being so selfish and think about the needs of younger people.

[GregBowman]

19 hours ago, Noallegiance said:

It's a shame that our society doesn't revere the same opinion when it comes out of a thirty-something on £20k per year. But an unscathed millionaire should be listened to.

That’s not a shame that’s common sense - cult of the young b*****

The average thirty something because of uni etc probably has 5-10 years less real world experience than previous generations leaving school at 16 thirty - forty years ago

As for this forum being full of old fogies - it isn’t patently by this thread. But what is quite interesting is the apparently socialist leanings of younger generations, 

 Not sure I agree with Paxman although I can’t dispute the effects. Millions of selfish boomers are helping their children and often working longer to do so. If we wanted to save the world we would of been working in the charity sector.

The first unit of Society is the family and it would seem millions of younger people are being failed by their family - blended families, anti multi generational living stances. No career or educational help, most importantly no love or spiritual guidance. 

My first question to anyone who is healthy and living in this 1st world country is what foundation did your Mum and Dad create for you and continuing to do so ?

Finally on the young - the ridiculous rise in property prices was engineered by cheap credit prior to 2007 and just carried on. Global Banking was and is full of 25-30 year old quants who are busy creating all sorts of weird financial instruments - hardly boomers....so are the real villains of the piece ? But the cult of the young means that’s never mentioned

 

 

 

[Fence]

2 hours ago, GregBowman said:

Millions of selfish boomers

People keep saying this but factually, how have they been selfish?  Specifically, what specific things did they do?

[GregBowman]

1 hour ago, Fence said:

People keep saying this but factually, how have they been selfish?  Specifically, what specific things did they do?

Agree with you just repeating it thx for pulling me up

I would say no more selfish boomers than any other generation - we got lucky but if someone wins the lottery they are not called a selfish lucky lottery winner are they ?

[Fence]

11 minutes ago, GregBowman said:

Agree with you just repeating it thx for pulling me up

I would say no more selfish boomers than any other generation - we got lucky but if someone wins the lottery they are not called a selfish lucky lottery winner are they ?

Hi.  Not pulling you up personally.  A wider question as I hear the comment quite often on this forum but no specifics.  It's usually just used in a vague rant.  "Selfish" is a very specific word.  I'm confused in what specific ways they have actually been selfish.  That is, them personally.  Their specific personal actions.  And not them as in Mr and Mrs OAP x down the road but them as a "cohort".  And habitually so over some time.   

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Fence said:

People keep saying this but factually, how have they been selfish?  Specifically, what specific things did they do?

Not every individual, but in aggregate - someone has been voting for the people who have constructed our current dystopia-lite.  It must be that older people did one or more of these:

Voted for politicians who inflated property prices.

Bought BTLs.

Bought second homes.

Didn't sell their own homes when they moved but rented them out instead.

Protested against new housing development.

Built shoddy houses out of cheap materials.

Moralised about iPads and avocados.

Told us that paying 15% interest for a few months on a 50k mortgage was much worse than today's 2% payments on 150k of debt.

Voted against inheritance tax even though only the very very richest households ever paid a penny.

Drew their final salary pension even though not enough was paid in to collapsing schemes and even though young people will never see the like.

Drew their state pension while looking down on 'scroungers' - never mind that the state pension is the biggest welfare bill and the government is running a massive deficit (which their children's children will be paying for) to fund it.

Gave massive handouts to their own children - and ****** the idea of a meritocracy and ****** everyone else's children.

Benefitted from privatisations and Right to Buy.

Had their fun in the free-love, unmonitored, hallucinogenic 60s and 70s but then let the Daily Mail turn them into a bunch of restrictive, fearful, Mary Whitehouse-worshipping authoritarians ready to stamp a barcode on everyone in the country.

Never faced up to how their political choices have pulled up the ladder.

Failed to admit there even is a problem and prefer to blame the victims rather than admitting that the world has changed.

[frederico]

8 minutes ago, irrationalactor said:

Not every individual, but in aggregate - someone has been voting for the people who have constructed our current dystopia-lite.  It must be that older people did one or more of these:

Voted for politicians who inflated property prices.

Bought BTLs.

Bought second homes.

Didn't sell their own homes when they moved but rented them out instead.

Protested against new housing development.

Built shoddy houses out of cheap materials.

Moralised about iPads and avocados.

Told us that paying 15% interest for a few months on a 50k mortgage was much worse than today's 2% payments on 150k of debt.

Voted against inheritance tax even though only the very very richest households ever paid a penny.

Drew their final salary pension even though not enough was paid in to collapsing schemes and even though young people will never see the like.

Drew their state pension while looking down on 'scroungers' - never mind that the state pension is the biggest welfare bill and the government is running a massive deficit (which their children's children will be paying for) to fund it.

Gave massive handouts to their own children - and ****** the idea of a meritocracy and ****** everyone else's children.

Benefitted from privatisations and Right to Buy.

Had their fun in the free-love, unmonitored, hallucinogenic 60s and 70s but then let the Daily Mail turn them into a bunch of restrictive, fearful, Mary Whitehouse-worshipping authoritarians ready to stamp a barcode on everyone in the country.

Never faced up to how their political choices have pulled up the ladder.

Failed to admit there even is a problem and prefer to blame the victims rather than admitting that the world has changed.

Blimey 

In reality, Maggie lay the foundations, but only survived because labour were unelectable. I loathed the Tories but blame labour for not getting in power.

So finally the messiah Blaire swept into power and the real work towards wealth inequality began, stoke house prices , splurge borrowed money on welfare , nhs and schools.

Further deregulation of the city etc leading to gfc 1, 

Then incomes messiah 2 , Cameron/ Clegg, promise the earth deliver student debt , htb qe funding for lending, confetti money for the bankers.

So yeah its all the voters fault, 

[Guest]

Blair was re-elected twice.  Cameron turned a coalition into an absolute Tory majority.

So yes, I agree - seems voters have a lot to answer for.

[Fence]

48 minutes ago, irrationalactor said:

Not every individual, but in aggregate - someone has been voting for the people who have constructed our current dystopia-lite.  It must be that older people did one or more of these:

Voted for politicians who inflated property prices.

Bought BTLs.

Bought second homes.

Didn't sell their own homes when they moved but rented them out instead.

Protested against new housing development.

Built shoddy houses out of cheap materials.

Moralised about iPads and avocados.

Told us that paying 15% interest for a few months on a 50k mortgage was much worse than today's 2% payments on 150k of debt.

Voted against inheritance tax even though only the very very richest households ever paid a penny.

Drew their final salary pension even though not enough was paid in to collapsing schemes and even though young people will never see the like.

Drew their state pension while looking down on 'scroungers' - never mind that the state pension is the biggest welfare bill and the government is running a massive deficit (which their children's children will be paying for) to fund it.

Gave massive handouts to their own children - and ****** the idea of a meritocracy and ****** everyone else's children.

Benefitted from privatisations and Right to Buy.

Had their fun in the free-love, unmonitored, hallucinogenic 60s and 70s but then let the Daily Mail turn them into a bunch of restrictive, fearful, Mary Whitehouse-worshipping authoritarians ready to stamp a barcode on everyone in the country.

Never faced up to how their political choices have pulled up the ladder.

Failed to admit there even is a problem and prefer to blame the victims rather than admitting that the world has changed.

Is this for real?  It doesn't stand up to moment's scrutiny and there's a total lack of supporting data.  Is this the new racism or something? Anyone got an adult response?

[Fence]

48 minutes ago, irrationalactor said:

Blair was re-elected twice.  Cameron turned a coalition into an absolute Tory majority.

So yes, I agree - seems voters have a lot to answer for.

No really.  Polos yes, voters (all of them) not so.  Yeh, they voted for "Education, Education, Education" and the like.  Not their education BTW. Very anti the nasty party neos.  But Blair turned out to be something else and Cameron, well.......And since when can you vote for exactly what you want.  And since when did the polos do what they promised?  I don't recall referenda on specific issues. The UK has a history of flipping between parties because they've all been cr*p for a long time.

Edited February 10, 2018 by Fence

[nayth]

5 hours ago, Fence said:

People keep saying this but factually, how have they been selfish?  Specifically, what specific things did they do?

small time landlords, obviously

[scb]

6 hours ago, GregBowman said:

Agree with you just repeating it thx for pulling me up

I would say no more selfish boomers than any other generation - we got lucky but if someone wins the lottery they are not called a selfish lucky lottery winner are they ?

Lottery winners don’t tend to call others lazy for not winning the lottery though.

[debtlessmanc]

About 15 years ago got talking to a uk couple in a bar in Santa Barbara ( was visiting the uni) they would be early 60’s and blowing their pension lump sums going around the world. The wife (they were from the SE) was apologetic but unrepentant- said that their generation was the most selfish ever and that they had screwed it up for future generations and should have been stopped from doing it. It was like listening to an alcoholic blaming shops for selling them alcohol. 

Meanwhile my daughter gives her reasons for studying nursing being “you can emigrate to Australia easily”. What a mess.

Edited February 10, 2018 by debtlessmanc

[GregBowman]

35 minutes ago, scb said:

Lottery winners don’t tend to call others lazy for not winning the lottery though.

Back to the point who is doing this ? The majority actually no - all my friends are worried about their children’s prospects and actively helping in many cases financially or physically their children - as they should 

[debtlessmanc]

13 minutes ago, GregBowman said:

Back to the point who is doing this ? The majority actually no - all my friends are worried about their children’s prospects and actively helping in many cases financially or physically their children - as they should 

I find a lot of cognitative dissonance. My father before he died was both proud of the value of his house and concerned about his children’s/grand children’s problems.

tbh the breakdown of religious/social constraints distracted that generation. My mother and father were very happy that everyone didn’t have to go to church every Sunday or indeed believe a bunch of nonsense. My father visited the us for business and was very anti racism as he had seen black people empowered in the US. I think the money issues fell under the radar.

[scb]

38 minutes ago, GregBowman said:

Back to the point who is doing this ? The majority actually no - all my friends are worried about their children’s prospects and actively helping in many cases financially or physically their children - as they should 

There’s plenty of people who claim, “it was just as hard to buy in my day” and, “we didn’t have all these gadgets”. I don’t work with any boomers in my current job but the last place I worked we were split quite heavily between the Millenials and the Boomers and they loved giving us crap because we didn’t/couldn’t/wouldn’t buy. Admittedly it’s not all but it’s certainly a significant minority.