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Alternative therapies - hypnosis, CBT, EMDR, EFT etc

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Has anyone had any experience with "alternative" therapies - therapeutic treatments to cure a behavioural or emotional issue, such as a phobia, stopping smoking, depression, anxiety, existential fears, OCD, bad habits etc? There are so many different treatments and therapies out there at the moment and it's hard to work out which work, which work quickly and effectively and which are a bit rubbish? 

Anyone had any success with any of these (or anything not mentioned)?

 

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Not exactly what you asked for however, I had acupuncture in Dublin for a recurring neck injury. I was extremely sceptical and only went because I was desperate. I left €50 lighter and absolutely convinced that I had been ripped off.

The following morning, for the first time in months I was pain free. I'm still dubious but I can't refute my own experience.

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1 minute ago, John The Pessimist said:

Not exactly what you asked for however, I had acupuncture in Dublin for a recurring neck injury. I was extremely sceptical and only went because I was desperate. I left €50 lighter and absolutely convinced that I had been ripped off.

The following morning, for the first time in months I was pain free. I'm still dubious but I can't refute my own experience.

Could be placebo. I have had acupuncture before and found it pretty useless but I was sceptical about deep tissue massage too but a few days after treatment it was like a miracle and my back pain was completely gone. Perhaps there is a psychological element to all these things - believing they will work, as well as the  physical aspect?

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I personally know two people who gave up smoking (permanently so far in both cases), one was via hypnosis, the other directly as a result of counselling.

I personally found CBT (a single session) to be mightily beneficial with grief. I don't do 'nodding dog' therapy and wasn't expecting much from it.

 

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7 hours ago, fru-gal said:

Has anyone had any experience with "alternative" therapies - therapeutic treatments to cure a behavioural or emotional issue, such as a phobia, stopping smoking, depression, anxiety, existential fears, OCD, bad habits etc? There are so many different treatments and therapies out there at the moment and it's hard to work out which work, which work quickly and effectively and which are a bit rubbish? 

Anyone had any success with any of these (or anything not mentioned)?

 

My view is that we should all be open minded about the issues you mention and explore all available options to attempt to alleviate them.

My personal favourite is learning about and learning to practice mindfulness for living fairly peacefully in a crazy world. This option is not a quick fix though!

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4 hours ago, knock out johnny said:

I read the allen carr give up smoking book which I understand is DIY CBT - went from chain smoking to not even thinking of smoking for 15+ years now - YMMV

Is that what it is. I read it and did the same as you. 15 years of tabbing it and after reading that, couldnt smoke a cigarette if my life depended on it now.

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15 hours ago, fru-gal said:

Could be placebo. I have had acupuncture before and found it pretty useless but I was sceptical about deep tissue massage too but a few days after treatment it was like a miracle and my back pain was completely gone. Perhaps there is a psychological element to all these things - believing they will work, as well as the  physical aspect?

Is it not unlikely it's the placebo effect if they came out convinced they had been ripped off and felt no benefit for the rest of that day ? And weren't even keen on trying it in the first case !

Can I ask why you were sceptical about deep tissue massage ? It involves real tangible pressure on muscles. And it's in pretty much every professional sporting training regime on the planet ! 

I'd rate it as similar to stretching. Things are tight causing everything they join to be tight as well resulting in numerous issues. Loosen this up via massage or/and stretching = results. 

Not sure how acupuncture would work but does appear to for many people. I know trigger point massage definitely has something to it - and perhaps acupuncture is on a similar level ? 

I've had a wee niggle or whatever on various joints or muscles. Then through self massage got stuck into an area a good bit distant and wham - I could instantly feel the pain in the affected area. 

While back I had slight pain in my elbow/forearms - overdoing the swimming I think. Anyway I also know I get tight traps due to working at a desk. I used by back nobber (Google it!) And got stuck into my traps. On a certain very specific  point wham - the pain in my elbow just shot up.

That tightness in my traps was leading down towards my elbow and either causing or at least not helping my issue. Few days real painful work on it and it was gone. 

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I've tried hypnosis for a phobia. Didn't work for me. It just felt like sitting in room with a weirdo telling me a stupid story, with my eyes shut. My mind was racing. He tried tapping too but I still am petrified of spiders and £100 poorer. I could have been unlucky had bad hypnotherapist.

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I tried cranial osteopathy (in layman moving skull plates about) once. It works for some but for me it felt like quackery. It was expensive and of course I would need many many sessions to be cured.

Edit- I understand it is used for depression treatment.

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3 hours ago, ccc said:

Is it not unlikely it's the placebo effect if they came out convinced they had been ripped off and felt no benefit for the rest of that day ? And weren't even keen on trying it in the first case !

Can I ask why you were sceptical about deep tissue massage ? It involves real tangible pressure on muscles. And it's in pretty much every professional sporting training regime on the planet ! 

I'd rate it as similar to stretching. Things are tight causing everything they join to be tight as well resulting in numerous issues. Loosen this up via massage or/and stretching = results. 

Not sure how acupuncture would work but does appear to for many people. I know trigger point massage definitely has something to it - and perhaps acupuncture is on a similar level ? 

I've had a wee niggle or whatever on various joints or muscles. Then through self massage got stuck into an area a good bit distant and wham - I could instantly feel the pain in the affected area. 

While back I had slight pain in my elbow/forearms - overdoing the swimming I think. Anyway I also know I get tight traps due to working at a desk. I used by back nobber (Google it!) And got stuck into my traps. On a certain very specific  point wham - the pain in my elbow just shot up.

That tightness in my traps was leading down towards my elbow and either causing or at least not helping my issue. Few days real painful work on it and it was gone. 

I'd had deep tissue massage before and it had not worked, that is why I was sceptical. 

Actually I've just remembered another thing that worked wonders is the Mind Body Connection book by Dr John Sarno. When my RSI was at it's worse I was literally crying in agony, read the book and a few weeks later my pain was completely gone. Just shows there is actually a large psychological aspect to physical pain and his theory makes a lot of sense.

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4 hours ago, Camomile said:

I've tried hypnosis for a phobia. Didn't work for me. It just felt like sitting in room with a weirdo telling me a stupid story, with my eyes shut. My mind was racing. He tried tapping too but I still am petrified of spiders and £100 poorer. I could have been unlucky had bad hypnotherapist.

I had my spider phobia pretty much cured by hypnosis. And managed to get just enough motivation to revise for exams. But one guy I went to whispered so quietly I literally couldn't hear a word he said.

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I took lessons in The Alexander Technique.

http://www.alexandertechnique.com/

I'd read up on it for some years before getting lessons and as I later learned, was very lucky in my choice of teacher. 

Reasons for wanting lessons were my posture, had a bit of a stoop, a tendency to stutter when stressed and an overall feeling of unease.

First lesson: Sitting on a chair, then standing up. Back to sitting on the chair then standing up again etc. His hand was on the back of my head to guide my posture. Walking back to my car after that lesson, I felt incredibly light and agile. Was looking at 5 foot high railings and thinking I could vault them one handed. I wasn't daft enough to try that but it truly felt like I could manage it. For about 15 minutes.

The next lesson, I mentioned that to him and he said it was to do with the contrast in my posture before the lesson and after. With continued lessons, he said, the contrast would seem to be less but the improvements longer lasting.

I made rapid progress but after lesson 6 I felt weird. Nearest I can describe it is that I was getting fixed way too fast and it spooked me. Stopped having lessons. Some immediate benefits from the lessons were being less irritable, next to no stoop and no stuttering when stressed. So all in all, well worth it.

About 6 months after my last lesson, I had a strange experience when waking up. Up till then, fear and excitement were linked emotions for me, have one meant having both. I felt those two emotions part ways from each other and they've been separate ever since. 

Teachers can vary in quality. If you decide to try a lesson and don't go 'Wow!' after the first lesson, try a different teacher or two before giving up on the Alexander Technique.

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, ccc said:

Is it not unlikely it's the placebo effect if they came out convinced they had been ripped off and felt no benefit for the rest of that day ? And weren't even keen on trying it in the first case !

The placebo effect can work even if you know it's a placebo.

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Dry needling is inserting needles into muscles to relax them and is the same as deep tissue massage/ trigger point stuff. Acupuncture is not dry needling.

I swear by it. 

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4 hours ago, fru-gal said:

I'd had deep tissue massage before and it had not worked, that is why I was sceptical. 

Actually I've just remembered another thing that worked wonders is the Mind Body Connection book by Dr John Sarno. When my RSI was at it's worse I was literally crying in agony, read the book and a few weeks later my pain was completely gone. Just shows there is actually a large psychological aspect to physical pain and his theory makes a lot of sense.

Yes I have had various sports massagers and some were woeful and a few immense. Same with everything I suppose.

3 minutes ago, Snafu said:

Dry needling is inserting needles into muscles to relax them and is the same as deep tissue massage/ trigger point stuff. Acupuncture is not dry needling.

I swear by it. 

I swear by self massage and lots of stretching / yoga poses.

I may have mentioned this before. :lol:

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2 hours ago, ccc said:

Yes I have had various sports massagers and some were woeful and a few immense. Same with everything I suppose.

I swear by self massage and lots of stretching / yoga poses.

I may have mentioned this before. :lol:

Yepp . Ive gone down the self harm rou... sorry I mean trigger point release and stretching. My pecs were tight as feck from weights and general rubbish posture so that took 6 months of daily self harm to free up. Same with inner thighs (which funnily enough is the main cause of my "fake" 1.5cm leg length discrepancy, which in itself probably led to terrible shoulder and upper back muscular issues. The body is one big ....complex mechanism. 

 

 

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Self harm :huh::lol:

That can be true. Although there are always the pleasant massages and stretches in amongst the pain.

I love doing the pigeon now. When I started it was literally torture. Which told it's own story. 

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21 hours ago, Snafu said:

Dry needling is inserting needles into muscles to relax them and is the same as deep tissue massage/ trigger point stuff. Acupuncture is not dry needling.

I swear by it. 

Acupuncture is based on the meridian system that there are lines of energy criss-crossing our bodies (from Chinese medicine);

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meridian_(Chinese_medicine)

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I find giving up the offending thing more effective than doing something extra, whatever it may: caffeine, junk food, high heels, late nights, smoking, drinking, toxic relationships etc. Identify it and get rid.

 

This is surely the essence of CBT.

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1 hour ago, EnglishinWales said:

I find giving up the offending thing more effective than doing something extra, whatever it may: caffeine, junk food, high heels, late nights, smoking, drinking, toxic relationships etc. Identify it and get rid.

 

This is surely the essence of CBT.

You'll get rid of my high heels over your dead body. Be warned. 

 

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