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Middle Class Drinking (anecdotal)

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I know some middle class friends of mine have really taken the doctor's advice of a glass of red wine a day to heart. Trouble is said glass looks like it would contain around half a bottle of wine. 

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I think what's happened is that demographic groups which once would not have drunk alcohol very much, if at all, now drink it as a matter of course. 

Eg in the old days, what you might call the 'lower middle to middle class' didn't really drink alcohol at all. It was part of the non-conformist Christian lifestyle - Methodist chapels, Band of Hope and all that. Drink was seen as the curse of the working class and to get on in life, you had to steer clear of it. Pub-going was generally frowned on. 

All that's gone now and it's perfectly normal for people to crack open bottles of wine when once they would have had a cup of tea or at most, a tiny little glass of sweet sherry. 

As for the religious side of AA, I'd always assumed that it was belief in a higher power 'as you understand it' which could just mean that power within yourself that enables you to do things you didn't think you were capable of. People have problems with the term 'God' because as a society we are so aggressively secularised and empirical, we find it difficult to conceive of any philosophical concepts outside absolute materialistic monism, and 'God' can't mean anything other than a ludicrous fairy tale character that no sensible person would believe in.  

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9 minutes ago, Austin Allegro said:

as a society we are so aggressively secularised and empirical, we find it difficult to conceive of any philosophical concepts outside absolute materialistic monism, and 'God' can't mean anything other than a ludicrous fairy tale character that no sensible person would believe in.  

If only.

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I don't really understand how people can get through a bottle of wine every night.

Back in the days when we all had manual jobs toiling in fields, alcohol would have been worked off quite quickly.

Now people just sit at desks I doubt that last night's bottle will work through the system before the next is consumed.

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47 minutes ago, DTMark said:

I don't really understand how people can get through a bottle of wine every night.

Back in the days when we all had manual jobs toiling in fields, alcohol would have been worked off quite quickly.

Now people just sit at desks I doubt that last night's bottle will work through the system before the next is consumed.

Practice, dear boy, practice.

 

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1 hour ago, DTMark said:

I don't really understand how people can get through a bottle of wine every night.

Back in the days when we all had manual jobs toiling in fields, alcohol would have been worked off quite quickly.

Now people just sit at desks I doubt that last night's bottle will work through the system before the next is consumed.

They would have been drinking it in the fields. If you wanted something safe to drink,  it would be fermented. 

The problem with drink only really arose with distillation of gin. The crack cocaine of alcohol.

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1 hour ago, DTMark said:

I don't really understand how people can get through a bottle of wine every night.

Back in the days when we all had manual jobs toiling in fields, alcohol would have been worked off quite quickly.

Now people just sit at desks I doubt that last night's bottle will work through the system before the next is consumed.

Equally interesting would be what % of school run mum's are over the limit?

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1 hour ago, CunningPlan said:

Practice, dear boy, practice.

 

Maybe if I started immediately after work (I work from home most of the time) I could "stagger" it throughout the evening and get away with it.

But it would ruin my prowess at coming up with long words on the PVR box replay of that day's episode of Countdown.

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7 hours ago, CunningPlan said:

Equally interesting would be what % of school run mum's are over the limit?

In Jockland - with our lower limits - probably a hell of a lot.

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6 hours ago, DTMark said:

Maybe if I started immediately after work (I work from home most of the time) I could "stagger" it throughout the evening and get away with it.

But it would ruin my prowess at coming up with long words on the PVR box replay of that day's episode of Countdown.

I work at home with my wife as well and it is very easy, especially in the summer.

One glass after work sitting out in the sun discussing the day, another glass whilst I cook dinner and another when eating and that is bottle done.

Sadly I don't have a stop switch so it either a bottle or none. 

 

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1 minute ago, CunningPlan said:

I work at home with my wife as well and it is very easy, especially in the summer.

One glass after work sitting out in the sun discussing the day, another glass whilst I cook dinner and another when eating and that is bottle done.

Sadly I don't have a stop switch so it either a bottle or none. 

 

You need smaller wine glasses. 

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24 minutes ago, 24 year mortgage 8itch said:

You need smaller wine glasses. 

Or a bigger bottle 😁

Talking of which I have noticed that my M&S  local is giving much more prominence to the 1 litre bottles.

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10 hours ago, hotairmail said:

They would have been drinking it in the fields. If you wanted something safe to drink,  it would be fermented. 

The problem with drink only really arose with distillation of gin. The crack cocaine of alcohol.

Yes, until the 18th century most people drank beer most of the time instead of water, but it was 'small beer' about 1- 2% alcohol, just enough to kill the bacteria. They drank it like we drink tea now - in fact social reformer William Cobbett wrote a book on the evils of tea, saying it was better to drink small beer instead.  I believe on the continent, where wine was cheap, they drank cheap nasty wine heavily diluted, in the same way. In fact there's a theory that the Roman soldier who offered Christ a drink of 'vinegar' on the cross was not mocking Him, but offering cheap diluted wine, the first century equivalent of a cup of tea, out of pity. 

As you say, binge drinking and attendant social problems only started with cheap gin in the Georgian era. I suspect before that, nobody really binge-drank because they had a mild 'buzz' all day long from small beer. 

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53 minutes ago, Austin Allegro said:

Yes, until the 18th century most people drank beer most of the time instead of water, but it was 'small beer' about 1- 2% alcohol, just enough to kill the bacteria. They drank it like we drink tea now - in fact social reformer William Cobbett wrote a book on the evils of tea, saying it was better to drink small beer instead.  I believe on the continent, where wine was cheap, they drank cheap nasty wine heavily diluted, in the same way. In fact there's a theory that the Roman soldier who offered Christ a drink of 'vinegar' on the cross was not mocking Him, but offering cheap diluted wine, the first century equivalent of a cup of tea, out of pity. 

As you say, binge drinking and attendant social problems only started with cheap gin in the Georgian era. I suspect before that, nobody really binge-drank because they had a mild 'buzz' all day long from small beer. 

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Locally referred to as: "the W.C." (pun intended).

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Not been in there. It's only about five minutes from here - I thought it looked familiar. Small world, etc ;)

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1 hour ago, Austin Allegro said:

Yes, until the 18th century most people drank beer most of the time instead of water, but it was 'small beer' about 1- 2% alcohol, just enough to kill the bacteria. They drank it like we drink tea now - in fact social reformer William Cobbett wrote a book on the evils of tea, saying it was better to drink small beer instead.  I believe on the continent, where wine was cheap, they drank cheap nasty wine heavily diluted, in the same way. In fact there's a theory that the Roman soldier who offered Christ a drink of 'vinegar' on the cross was not mocking Him, but offering cheap diluted wine, the first century equivalent of a cup of tea, out of pity. 

As you say, binge drinking and attendant social problems only started with cheap gin in the Georgian era. I suspect before that, nobody really binge-drank because they had a mild 'buzz' all day long from small beer. 

Paging @ccc it's why people didn't used to get depressed, they were perma-pissed. :D

 

its forced 20th century sobriety that is the cause.

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6 hours ago, CunningPlan said:

Or a bigger bottle 😁

Talking of which I have noticed that my M&S  local is giving much more prominence to the 1 litre bottles.

Thankfully, my working class roots preclude me being a wine drinking middle class secret alcoholic.

 

There's a scene in the Danny Baker childhood comedy with his parent are drinking a bottle of wine brought back from (someone else's?) holiday. It was a novelty for them which shows how far we've come.

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2 hours ago, DTMark said:

Not been in there. It's only about five minutes from here - I thought it looked familiar. Small world, etc ;)

He was a farmer with land close to Farnham, in addition to being a political reform campaigner. He was later an MP for Oldham, Lancs. Funny how even back then middle class southerners got parachuted in to represent northern constituencies... 

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I regularly catch an early evening train back from London to the south coast. I've started noticing that whereas before you'd see people with one of those M&S plastic glasses of wine to see them through the journey, I'm now seeing people with whole bottles. Usually empty by the end. And these are commuters, not people celebrating a special day out.

Admittedly this is Southern Fail. They would drive me to drink (with a delay and a cancellation) if I had to use them every day.

 

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On 17/04/2017 at 4:15 PM, knock out johnny said:

I'm a serious big time drinker

Went to AA at the behest of a mate who was a former coke fiend. AA was the most depressing night of the week. I know you're meant to do 30 meeting in 30 days, but I couldn't.

It just didnt work for me. I drink because I'm unhappy, whereas AA was full of testimony of people who were unhappy because they drank (I am totally sympathetic but every meeting was a horror story. Enough to drive you to drink)

On the positive - I did look into the posibilites of being a 13th stepper ;) There was a lot of good looking tail in the room although the emotional cost was probably not worth it.

I'm an alcoholic - not happy about it, but the alternative is worse!

 

A candid post indeed.

Two questions:

1. What's your poison/tipple of choice?

2. Why are you unhappy?

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1 hour ago, GARCH said:

A candid post indeed.

Two questions:

1. What's your poison/tipple of choice?

2. Why are you unhappy?

I suppose one knows one has a problem when the answer to 1 and 2 are the same : "Everything!"

 

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Just watching Midsommer Murders and Barnaby has just overfilled his wife's  large glass with red...about 300 ml I'd guess ( about 4 units).

Little things that normalise habits, a bit like people subliminally aping chain smoking from movies in the past.

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