Sgt Hartman Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 29 minutes ago, Sledgehead said: Did you say the same when the Beeb ran the footage of Alayan Kurdi? Perhaps you should be more offended that we never see a single victim of our cluster bombs in Iraq? Do you honestly believe there are none? Or do you suppose that calls to convict Blair over Iraq centre solely around whether he got the right legal advice before proceeding? It's a funny old world. People spitting feathers over some idiot called Pewdie-whateva or whether a fat white guy objectifies the opposite sex with some off-camera banter. Meanwhile we are casually murdering each other in the most barbaric ways. Nobody blinks. TBH I don't really want to go back to giving a damn. It's too much like hard work. A bit like when I used to post on the main forum. Reading official stats, putting them into spread-sheets, cross correlating etc. Who can give a damn when you conclude there's no more credit; and then they print it by the truck load. Maybe I'll start a thread about water flossers. Everybody likes white teeth, right? Yeah, I'm rambling. But at least it won't offend. Yes I think there should be warnings about pictures of dead children. If you chose to look then that's up to you, it's common courtesy on an open forum to be given the option. I'm not squeamish, I've seen plenty of dead and mutilated bodies in my time, many of the latter still screaming, but I would'nt presume that everyone else would be comfortable with that. I'm not offended, nor did I report it but they were unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economic Exile Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 29 minutes ago, Sgt Hartman said: Yes I think there should be warnings about pictures of dead children. If you chose to look then that's up to you, it's common courtesy on an open forum to be given the option. I'm not squeamish, I've seen plenty of dead and mutilated bodies in my time, many of the latter still screaming, but I would'nt presume that everyone else would be comfortable with that. I'm not offended, nor did I report it but they were unacceptable. I'm not trying to argue I'm only giving my opinion here. I don't think the pictures were unacceptable because they recorded events that happened on planet earth. There are times I wish I was the type of person that didn't think in depth about everything but I do. Im often accused of being a pessimist, told life's what you make it, you make your own luck, see the good in the world, smile etc. I view the world overall as a terrible place but I can find solace in it. If things continue to be sanitised and swept under the carpet nothing will improve. IMO a lot of people could do with waking up to the full catastrophe playing out on planet earth. The way to do that is honest reporting that attempts to investigate and discern about the state of affairs for humanity no matter how shocking it may be. Like I said, just my opinion I'm not criticising your view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormymonday_2011 Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Economic Exile said: Most people can't cope with reality! The pictures in your post were of real things that happened to real people. They didn't offend me, but they're not nice to look at. I would like to see the media awash with horrific pictures of what can happen to people on planet earth...lots of them. People think oh that won't happen to me, it won't happen here or pictures like that shouldn't be allowed and then forget them and get on with their lives. I really have little hope that humanity will thrive in the long term! The reality of war is far horrific than anything Hollywood can devise There is a description in Seigfried Sassoons Memoirs Of An Infantry Officer which retells his experiences on the western front in the Great War. Most of it is matter of fact but in one paragraph he describes a human face detached from its skull by shell fire lying in a puddle of muddy water as he walked down a captured trench. His contemporary Edmund Blunden casually mentions the bodies of young German soldiers floating in a flooded shell hole that British troops were using as latrines. If you watch the TV documentaries made in the 1960s and the 1970s about the two World Wars they pulled no punches about what happens to both soldiers and civilians in such conflicts. These programs were made to be watched by everyone including children when I was young. Similarly my Penguin school text book on the First World War written by AJP Taylor had a photo on its cover of a half rotted human corpse one leg blown off,one arm blown off and the other arm slung across the grinning skull of a head. Not much doubt about what war did to the human body there. Perhaps rather tellingly that same book is published today with a far more adonyne cover. It is as though such representations need to be sanitised from the popular consciousness so politicians like Blair can still have their wars but keep the reality of what that entails from people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economic Exile Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, stormymonday_2011 said: The reality of war is far horrific than anything Hollywood can devise There is a description in Seigfried Sassoons Memoirs Of An Infantry Officer which retells his experiences on the western front in the Great War. Most of it is matter of fact but in one paragraph he describes a human face detached from its skull by shell fire lying in a puddle of muddy water as he walked down a captured trench. His contemporary Edmund Blunden casually mentions the bodies of young German soldiers floating in a flooded shell hole that British troops were using as latrines. If you watch the TV documentaries made in the 1960s and the 1970s about the two World Wars they pulled no punches about what happens to both soldiers and civilians in such conflicts. These programs were made to be watched by everyone including children when I was young. Similarly my Penguin school text book on the First World War written by AJP Taylor had a photo on its cover of a half rotted human corpse one leg blown off,one arm blown off and the other arm slung across the grinning skull of a head. Not much doubt about what war did to the human body there. Perhaps rather tellingly that same book is published today with a far more adonyne cover. It is as though such representations need to be sanitised from the popular consciousness so politicians still like Blair can have their wars but keep the reality of what that entails from people Totally agree with your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 1 hour ago, The XYY Man said: Precisely. Mind you, I'm two days from pay-day - and am thus drinking Co-op 3 yr-old blended tonight. Drank it neat for a while. Tasted like dog-shit that had been soaked in paraffin and set alight - but at least my toothache is cured... XYY The dog's kennel is not the place to keep a sausage - Danish proverb Tesco have 20 off12 y Glennfidditch. Been wait for them to run a decent discount since xmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 1 hour ago, The XYY Man said: Only a blip Monty. I've had 13 days off work as unpaid compassionate leave this month - so I'll be on the cheap stuff until mid-March. And it may be rough, but ASDA and Tesco's cheapest offerings are both much worse. Even that "High Commissioner" pish that Mr Patel sells is better than those two..! XYY The dog's kennel is not the place to keep a sausage - Danish proverb Indisns have very funnt ideas about whiskey. They bang on about being raped by the Brit emoire. Sureky the biggest, on going crime is them thinking Johnny Walker is good whiskey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Hartman Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, Economic Exile said: I'm not trying to argue I'm only giving my opinion here. I don't think the pictures were unacceptable because they recorded events that happened on planet earth. There are times I wish I was the type of person that didn't think in depth about everything but I do. Im often accused of being a pessimist, told life's what you make it, you make your own luck, see the good in the world, smile etc. I view the world overall as a terrible place but I can find solace in it. If things continue to be sanitised and swept under the carpet nothing will improve. IMO a lot of people could do with waking up to the full catastrophe playing out on planet earth. The way to do that is honest reporting that attempts to investigate and discern about the state of affairs for humanity no matter how shocking it may be. Like I said, just my opinion I'm not criticising your view. That's totally fair enough. For me the argument that 'this sort of thing should be seen' is an understandable one however I think we are starting to become desensitised to it. Facebook (before I binned it) was awash with pictures like these and other horrors from across the world. Even the Daily Mail site is starting to jump on the gore bandwagon with some seriously grim videos put up on their site quite regularly. They call it news, I call it a nasty way of getting sensationalist attention (the be all and end all it seems these days.) It's becoming too regular a sight over the net and it's shock value is diminishing, this ain't healthy in my view. I worked with guys who dealt with the violently ended remains of little children and it broke them completely. Dealing with the dead is bad enough, done plenty of it, but dead children causes you to lose a bit of your soul IMO. Posting images of them shouldn't be taken lightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economic Exile Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, Sgt Hartman said: That's totally fair enough. For me the argument that 'this sort of thing should be seen' is an understandable one however I think we are starting to become desensitised to it. Facebook (before I binned it) was awash with pictures like these and other horrors from across the world. Even the Daily Mail site is starting to jump on the gore bandwagon with some seriously grim videos put up on their site quite regularly. They call it news, I call it a nasty way of getting sensationalist attention (the be all and end all it seems these days.) It's becoming too regular a sight over the net and it's shock value is diminishing, this ain't healthy in my view. I worked with guys who dealt with the violently ended remains of little children and it broke them completely. Dealing with the dead is bad enough, done plenty of it, but dead children causes you to lose a bit of your soul IMO. Posting images of them shouldn't be taken lightly. Yes, I agree with the points you make. Back up the thread stormy Monday posted about education in youth. But the world is a very different place now. Regarding us becoming desensitised I strongly agree with that. And it concerns me. I have no answers and don't foresee life getting better for the majority on planet earth. I hope I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Once something is seen it cannot be unseen. The mainstream media self-censor such images day in day out not because of some machiavellian reasons but because they can disturb people. Such images can have serious negative and long-lasting affects on individuals. We all have seen such images elsewhere. They are shocking and no words can convey the horror deplicted in them. But I would hope we do not have such images posted on here again. People should have been given warning of the images posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormymonday_2011 Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 You don't need dismembered bodies or blood to see what war means to those involved. It is written on the faces and particularly the eyes of the survivors. Those eyes are always the same in these pictures - Verdun, the Somme, Normandy 1944, the Battle of the Pacific, Vietnam or the Iraq War. They never change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The XYY Man Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 1 hour ago, spyguy said: Indisns have very funnt ideas about whiskey. They bang on about being raped by the Brit emoire. Sureky the biggest, on going crime is them thinking Johnny Walker is good whiskey. Agreed. I judge blended whisky on three simple tests. 1) Does it taste acceptable when drank neat..? 2) Does it burn my throat/chest on the way down...? 3) Does it give me acid reflux later-on...? Johnny Walker tastes alright, so it passes test 1. Unfortunately it burns like paint-stripper when faced with tests 2 and 3. There are much better blended whiskys for less than the typical eighteen- to twenty-two quid a bottle you'll pay for Johnnie Walker. Whyte and Mackay's blend passes all three - as does Grant's Sherry Cask. Grouse fails on the heartburn. Teacher's used to pass all three, but now it burns and tastes of floor-polish. Bell's is still shit. Aldi and Lidl also have some canny ones at good prices - but they don't do half-bottles. With random drink and drug tests at work these days, I daren't have a full-bottle in the house on a school-night...! XYY The dog's kennel is not the place to keep a sausage - Danish proverb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, The XYY Man said: Agreed. I judge blended whisky on three simple tests. 1) Does it taste acceptable when drank neat..? 2) Does it burn my throat/chest on the way down...? 3) Does it give me acid reflux later-on...? Johnny Walker tastes alright, so it passes test 1. Unfortunately it burns like paint-stripper when faced with tests 2 and 3. There are much better blended whiskys for less than the typical eighteen- to twenty-two quid a bottle you'll pay for Johnnie Walker. Whyte and Mackay's blend passes all three - as does Grant's Sherry Cask. Grouse fails on the heartburn. Teacher's used to pass all three, but now it burns and tastes of floor-polish. Bell's is still shit. Aldi and Lidl also have some canny ones at good prices - but they don't do half-bottles. With random drink and drug tests at work these days, I daren't have a full-bottle in the house on a school-night...! XYY The dog's kennel is not the place to keep a sausage - Danish proverb Of everything posted on here over the years, I think that for me, this is the most valuable lesson of all. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahoo Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 I think we're all grown up enough to see images without censor. They remind us what it means to be civilised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 We are a bit off topic for Off Topic, what with XYY's Scottish drinking habits. Blair remains the worst Socialist I have seen. Robin Cook should have been the Prime Minister I might have voted for, even though he is a ginger Scot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canbuywontbuy Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Good 'ol Tone - I reckon he won at least 500,000 votes for Leave with this comments during the run up to the referendum. Probably more. And with this latest words? Probably swung a few tens of thousands of Remainers to give up on the idea of the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 10 hours ago, One-percent said: Ta, I thought that was about a submarine? I thought it was a slightly racist one about the Jamaican bobsled team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moderators Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 11 hours ago, Wahoo said: I think we're all grown up enough to see images without censor. They remind us what it means to be civilised. Fair enough. You forget though that this is not your website - it belongs to Fubra and they have been threatened by Google several times now over images posted on Off topic. This has been discussed before. Fubra has the option of removing the Off topic from HPC forum so there are no more complaints from Google. Police yourselves or the moderators will remove offending images and the thread they are posted in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moderators Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 12 hours ago, The Masked Tulip said: Once something is seen it cannot be unseen. The mainstream media self-censor such images day in day out not because of some machiavellian reasons but because they can disturb people. Such images can have serious negative and long-lasting affects on individuals. We all have seen such images elsewhere. They are shocking and no words can convey the horror deplicted in them. But I would hope we do not have such images posted on here again. People should have been given warning of the images posted. Balanced post. Those children suffered and died and should not be posted on here so that posters like Mr Pin can make jokes about them. I was disgusted to see the response he made and immediately removed it. That is not censorship - that is good taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The XYY Man Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 6 hours ago, MrPin said: We are a bit off topic for Off Topic, what with XYY's Scottish drinking habits. Blair remains the worst Socialist I have seen. Robin Cook should have been the Prime Minister I might have voted for, even though he is a ginger Scot. OK Pinny, Blair is a twât. With regards to going off-topic, this is the off-topic forum. I regard all threads on here as the type of conversations you have with your mates in the pub, where the subject of conversation changes several times - and that's how I think of everyone on here, my mates in the virtual pub. Blair is still a twât though, and he is barred from our pub for life... XYY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One-percent Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, The XYY Man said: and that's how I think of everyone on here, my mates in the virtual pub. XYY Aw <<<<<<huggzz>>>>>>> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 12 hours ago, Wahoo said: I think we're all grown up enough to see images without censor. They remind us what it means to be civilised. If you've got reason to expect them. If you're [i/[]not[/i] bothered and disturbed by very unpleasant images that's something to worry about, and I'd rather not blunder into them without warning when I've no reason to expect them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The XYY Man Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 36 minutes ago, One-percent said: Aw <<<<<<huggzz>>>>>>> It's not that kind of pub - any more of that and you're barred...! XYY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 I do like that phrase "Scottish drinking habits" Classic! Must remember to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 13 minutes ago, Byron said: I do like that phrase "Scottish drinking habits" Classic! Must remember to use it. Aye Sassie, Youl'll have to do it one day with Pinny and XYY in a virtual pub. Let's see who gets banned first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 23 minutes ago, The XYY Man said: It's not that kind of pub - any more of that and you're barred...! XYY I lived in Brighton for 8 years. You get bummed. Except I didn't. And I still I like muffy, occasionally, as would suit a man of my years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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