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Woman, 20s, killed in 'chemical incident' in Oxford

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3 hours ago, XswampyX said:

It's from July 2015.....

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Thanks for the clarification.

A property sale photo?  Then I guess there's also a photo for the other side of the property.

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1 minute ago, billybong said:

Thanks for the clarification.

A property sale photo?  Then I guess there's also a photo for the other side of the property.

No. Google street view has a date slider up at the top left of the screen. Also it's the house next door. As it has ivy growing along it, it was a good illustration of time passing.

The blankets in the windows have been there since 2010.

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2 minutes ago, XswampyX said:

No. Google street view has a date slider up at the top left of the screen. Also it's the house next door. As it has ivy growing along it, it was a good illustration of time passing.

The blankets in the windows have been there since 2010.

Thanks for the clarification.  No doubt all will become clearer in the fullness of time.

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1 minute ago, billybong said:

Thanks for the clarification.

No problem.

Google Street view is going to be an amazing historical resource in the future.... Fantastic! ;)

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7 hours ago, long time lurking said:

 

That's not what I would call a propane tank explosion, TBH.

 

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15 hours ago, Rave said:

That's not what I would call a propane tank explosion, TBH.

 

Totally different design ,the small (up to 47kg) tanks in the UK are designed to fail around the valve one of the reason they are brass ,the pressure/temperature build up needed to to make it fail is far less before it lets go apposed to a tank of all steel construction 

IIRC internal parts of the valve are plastic which are designed to melt and releases the gas ...big flames but not much of a bang

 

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Propane can be used as a solvent to dissolve/extract essential oils from plant matter.

The consequences of making mistakes would be explosively instantaneous especially when using homemade equipment and propane cylinders.

I would expect to see much more of these chemical 'incidents', very popular amongst chemistry graduates struggling to get on the housing ladder.

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7 hours ago, long time lurking said:

Totally different design ,the small (up to 47kg) tanks in the UK are designed to fail around the valve one of the reason they are brass ,the pressure/temperature build up needed to to make it fail is far less before it lets go apposed to a tank of all steel construction 

IIRC internal parts of the valve are plastic which are designed to melt and releases the gas ...big flames but not much of a bang

Fair enough. Out of interest, why do the fire service / police go so far out of their way to evacuate the area round a fire where gas bottles are in danger then? A few years ago they closed the main rail line into London from the SE suburbs when a garage in New Cross went up. If all that's going to happen is a big jet of flame rather than a BLEVE, it seems a bit excessive.

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13 hours ago, Rave said:

Fair enough. Out of interest, why do the fire service / police go so far out of their way to evacuate the area round a fire where gas bottles are in danger then? A few years ago they closed the main rail line into London from the SE suburbs when a garage in New Cross went up. If all that's going to happen is a big jet of flame rather than a BLEVE, it seems a bit excessive.

Presumably if they fall over and a big jet comes out of them then it shoots off.

Watched fire brigade put a paving stone on top of a hot one they pulled out of a fire once. 

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13 hours ago, Rave said:

Fair enough. Out of interest, why do the fire service / police go so far out of their way to evacuate the area round a fire where gas bottles are in danger then? A few years ago they closed the main rail line into London from the SE suburbs when a garage in New Cross went up. If all that's going to happen is a big jet of flame rather than a BLEVE, it seems a bit excessive.

It is the ballistic threat more than a simple explosive threat -- the bottles are propelled into the air and have a fairly big area in which they can land/impact (and then continue to burn).

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See here for them going bang and also turning self propelled. 5:40 for a good launch if you can't be bothered to watch the whole thing.

 

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16 hours ago, Rave said:

Fair enough. Out of interest, why do the fire service / police go so far out of their way to evacuate the area round a fire where gas bottles are in danger then? A few years ago they closed the main rail line into London from the SE suburbs when a garage in New Cross went up. If all that's going to happen is a big jet of flame rather than a BLEVE, it seems a bit excessive.

Garages could well have oxygen /acetylene bottles in there ,whole different ball game especially when oxy bottles have a fill pressure of 2-300 bar 

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From the local rag.

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The Oxford Mail revealed yesterday police officers spent a ‘significant period of time’ at Gibbs Crescent on Friday last week following a ‘concern for welfare’ call made after a man, believed to be Mr Schuette, had allegedly made threats.

Without being overly prejudicial I think it's fair to assume that the blast was deliberate and who was likely to have caused it. It's a miracle no one else was killed or seriously injured. He lived on the middle floor of a 3 story building, that has been completely destroyed in the explosion and fire.

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8 hours ago, ntb said:

See here for them going bang and also turning self propelled. 5:40 for a good launch if you can't be bothered to watch the whole thing.

 

Great video. But TBH I'd have said the straight up explosions, with flames shooting out in all directions, followed by a mushroom cloud, were BLEVEs rather than just the valve melting and letting all the gas out of the top of the bottle. I guess it's all relative, a bottle that lets go when its contents have been heated to 200C is going to release less energy than one that manages to hold on until it hits 500C...

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6 hours ago, assetrichcashpoor said:

 

From the local rag.

Without being overly prejudicial I think it's fair to assume that the blast was deliberate and who was likely to have caused it. It's a miracle no one else was killed or seriously injured. He lived on the middle floor of a 3 story building, that has been completely destroyed in the explosion and fire.

Still quite difficult to blow up the entire place, though.  Most gas explosions will blow out windows and perhaps a wall, but there was nothing left of that building.

 

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Really impressed with the comments on here - have learnt quite a bit.

That Russian truck driver did not look as if he got out the way the flames quickly engulfed the lorry and a few other cars.

 

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On 16/02/2017 at 7:22 PM, debtlessmanc said:

apparently this guy might have died in the blast, but if he hasn't and you see him, run like hell....

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/16/police-warn-not-approach-man-guido-schuette-missing-oxford-flats-blast

 

On 16/02/2017 at 7:22 PM, debtlessmanc said:

apparently "due to the circumstances of the blast do not approach him if you see him"

 

Vapourised? Or under the rubble? Wonder what his history is for such a warning?

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3 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said:

 

 

Vapourised? Or under the rubble? Wonder what his history is for such a warning?

He's got some minor form:

In November 2010, Schuette appeared in front of magistrates charged with possessing a knife. It was revealed at the same hearing that he attacked and wrecked his own BMW car with his bare fists and threw household items on to it from a flat above the street.

In May 2015, he was hauled up in front of the same court and admitted assaulting a doctor and another man at Abingdon Police Station on April 13.

And in October 2015 he was back in court and was convicted of harassing his neighbour Annie May by repeatedly playing loud music to annoy her on April 12. 

Apparently there was a welfare call on the previous Friday when he was making threats. It does look like he deliberately caused the blast.

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11 hours ago, The Masked Tulip said:

Really impressed with the comments on here - have learnt quite a bit.

That Russian truck driver did not look as if he got out the way the flames quickly engulfed the lorry and a few other cars.

 

Nah, you can clearly see him leap out over a load of flames and sprint over the central barrier. It's amazing how quickly it all went up though!

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37 minutes ago, Rave said:

Nah, you can clearly see him leap out over a load of flames and sprint over the central barrier. It's amazing how quickly it all went up though!

 

And he didn't stop running until he got to Islington and Corbyn gave him a job in the Labour Party?

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11 hours ago, assetrichcashpoor said:

He's got some minor form:

In November 2010, Schuette appeared in front of magistrates charged with possessing a knife. It was revealed at the same hearing that he attacked and wrecked his own BMW car with his bare fists and threw household items on to it from a flat above the street.

In May 2015, he was hauled up in front of the same court and admitted assaulting a doctor and another man at Abingdon Police Station on April 13.

And in October 2015 he was back in court and was convicted of harassing his neighbour Annie May by repeatedly playing loud music to annoy her on April 12. 

Apparently there was a welfare call on the previous Friday when he was making threats. It does look like he deliberately caused the blast.

 

Oh, well this sounds like one of those cases where the world will be better off without him. Someone's son though.

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