long time lurking Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 20 hours ago, dgul said: That just makes a mess. The gas canisters for farm sounds plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybong Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 3 hours ago, XswampyX said: It's from July 2015..... Thanks for the clarification. A property sale photo? Then I guess there's also a photo for the other side of the property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XswampyX Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 minute ago, billybong said: Thanks for the clarification. A property sale photo? Then I guess there's also a photo for the other side of the property. No. Google street view has a date slider up at the top left of the screen. Also it's the house next door. As it has ivy growing along it, it was a good illustration of time passing. The blankets in the windows have been there since 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybong Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, XswampyX said: No. Google street view has a date slider up at the top left of the screen. Also it's the house next door. As it has ivy growing along it, it was a good illustration of time passing. The blankets in the windows have been there since 2010. Thanks for the clarification. No doubt all will become clearer in the fullness of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XswampyX Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 minute ago, billybong said: Thanks for the clarification. No problem. Google Street view is going to be an amazing historical resource in the future.... Fantastic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rave Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 7 hours ago, long time lurking said: That's not what I would call a propane tank explosion, TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long time lurking Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 15 hours ago, Rave said: That's not what I would call a propane tank explosion, TBH. Totally different design ,the small (up to 47kg) tanks in the UK are designed to fail around the valve one of the reason they are brass ,the pressure/temperature build up needed to to make it fail is far less before it lets go apposed to a tank of all steel construction IIRC internal parts of the valve are plastic which are designed to melt and releases the gas ...big flames but not much of a bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debtlessmanc Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 apparently this guy might have died in the blast, but if he hasn't and you see him, run like hell.... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/16/police-warn-not-approach-man-guido-schuette-missing-oxford-flats-blast apparently "due to the circumstances of the blast do not approach him if you see him" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChewingGrass Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Propane can be used as a solvent to dissolve/extract essential oils from plant matter. The consequences of making mistakes would be explosively instantaneous especially when using homemade equipment and propane cylinders. I would expect to see much more of these chemical 'incidents', very popular amongst chemistry graduates struggling to get on the housing ladder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rave Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 7 hours ago, long time lurking said: Totally different design ,the small (up to 47kg) tanks in the UK are designed to fail around the valve one of the reason they are brass ,the pressure/temperature build up needed to to make it fail is far less before it lets go apposed to a tank of all steel construction IIRC internal parts of the valve are plastic which are designed to melt and releases the gas ...big flames but not much of a bang Fair enough. Out of interest, why do the fire service / police go so far out of their way to evacuate the area round a fire where gas bottles are in danger then? A few years ago they closed the main rail line into London from the SE suburbs when a garage in New Cross went up. If all that's going to happen is a big jet of flame rather than a BLEVE, it seems a bit excessive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 13 hours ago, Rave said: Fair enough. Out of interest, why do the fire service / police go so far out of their way to evacuate the area round a fire where gas bottles are in danger then? A few years ago they closed the main rail line into London from the SE suburbs when a garage in New Cross went up. If all that's going to happen is a big jet of flame rather than a BLEVE, it seems a bit excessive. Presumably if they fall over and a big jet comes out of them then it shoots off. Watched fire brigade put a paving stone on top of a hot one they pulled out of a fire once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgul Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 13 hours ago, Rave said: Fair enough. Out of interest, why do the fire service / police go so far out of their way to evacuate the area round a fire where gas bottles are in danger then? A few years ago they closed the main rail line into London from the SE suburbs when a garage in New Cross went up. If all that's going to happen is a big jet of flame rather than a BLEVE, it seems a bit excessive. It is the ballistic threat more than a simple explosive threat -- the bottles are propelled into the air and have a fairly big area in which they can land/impact (and then continue to burn). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntb Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 See here for them going bang and also turning self propelled. 5:40 for a good launch if you can't be bothered to watch the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long time lurking Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 16 hours ago, Rave said: Fair enough. Out of interest, why do the fire service / police go so far out of their way to evacuate the area round a fire where gas bottles are in danger then? A few years ago they closed the main rail line into London from the SE suburbs when a garage in New Cross went up. If all that's going to happen is a big jet of flame rather than a BLEVE, it seems a bit excessive. Garages could well have oxygen /acetylene bottles in there ,whole different ball game especially when oxy bottles have a fill pressure of 2-300 bar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assetrichcashpoor Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 From the local rag. Quote The Oxford Mail revealed yesterday police officers spent a ‘significant period of time’ at Gibbs Crescent on Friday last week following a ‘concern for welfare’ call made after a man, believed to be Mr Schuette, had allegedly made threats. Without being overly prejudicial I think it's fair to assume that the blast was deliberate and who was likely to have caused it. It's a miracle no one else was killed or seriously injured. He lived on the middle floor of a 3 story building, that has been completely destroyed in the explosion and fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rave Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 8 hours ago, ntb said: See here for them going bang and also turning self propelled. 5:40 for a good launch if you can't be bothered to watch the whole thing. Great video. But TBH I'd have said the straight up explosions, with flames shooting out in all directions, followed by a mushroom cloud, were BLEVEs rather than just the valve melting and letting all the gas out of the top of the bottle. I guess it's all relative, a bottle that lets go when its contents have been heated to 200C is going to release less energy than one that manages to hold on until it hits 500C... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgul Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 6 hours ago, assetrichcashpoor said: From the local rag. Without being overly prejudicial I think it's fair to assume that the blast was deliberate and who was likely to have caused it. It's a miracle no one else was killed or seriously injured. He lived on the middle floor of a 3 story building, that has been completely destroyed in the explosion and fire. Still quite difficult to blow up the entire place, though. Most gas explosions will blow out windows and perhaps a wall, but there was nothing left of that building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted February 18, 2017 Author Share Posted February 18, 2017 Really impressed with the comments on here - have learnt quite a bit. That Russian truck driver did not look as if he got out the way the flames quickly engulfed the lorry and a few other cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted February 18, 2017 Author Share Posted February 18, 2017 On 16/02/2017 at 7:22 PM, debtlessmanc said: apparently this guy might have died in the blast, but if he hasn't and you see him, run like hell.... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/16/police-warn-not-approach-man-guido-schuette-missing-oxford-flats-blast On 16/02/2017 at 7:22 PM, debtlessmanc said: apparently "due to the circumstances of the blast do not approach him if you see him" Vapourised? Or under the rubble? Wonder what his history is for such a warning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assetrichcashpoor Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said: Vapourised? Or under the rubble? Wonder what his history is for such a warning? He's got some minor form: In November 2010, Schuette appeared in front of magistrates charged with possessing a knife. It was revealed at the same hearing that he attacked and wrecked his own BMW car with his bare fists and threw household items on to it from a flat above the street. In May 2015, he was hauled up in front of the same court and admitted assaulting a doctor and another man at Abingdon Police Station on April 13. And in October 2015 he was back in court and was convicted of harassing his neighbour Annie May by repeatedly playing loud music to annoy her on April 12. Apparently there was a welfare call on the previous Friday when he was making threats. It does look like he deliberately caused the blast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rave Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 11 hours ago, The Masked Tulip said: Really impressed with the comments on here - have learnt quite a bit. That Russian truck driver did not look as if he got out the way the flames quickly engulfed the lorry and a few other cars. Nah, you can clearly see him leap out over a load of flames and sprint over the central barrier. It's amazing how quickly it all went up though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share Posted February 19, 2017 37 minutes ago, Rave said: Nah, you can clearly see him leap out over a load of flames and sprint over the central barrier. It's amazing how quickly it all went up though! And he didn't stop running until he got to Islington and Corbyn gave him a job in the Labour Party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share Posted February 19, 2017 11 hours ago, assetrichcashpoor said: He's got some minor form: In November 2010, Schuette appeared in front of magistrates charged with possessing a knife. It was revealed at the same hearing that he attacked and wrecked his own BMW car with his bare fists and threw household items on to it from a flat above the street. In May 2015, he was hauled up in front of the same court and admitted assaulting a doctor and another man at Abingdon Police Station on April 13. And in October 2015 he was back in court and was convicted of harassing his neighbour Annie May by repeatedly playing loud music to annoy her on April 12. Apparently there was a welfare call on the previous Friday when he was making threats. It does look like he deliberately caused the blast. Oh, well this sounds like one of those cases where the world will be better off without him. Someone's son though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgul Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Another one in Hull? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-39228177 I suppose there have been explosions as long as there's been gas in houses, but there do seem to have been quite a few of these recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 4 hours ago, dgul said: Another one in Hull? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-39228177 I suppose there have been explosions as long as there's been gas in houses, but there do seem to have been quite a few of these recently. perhaps reflecting the growth in self sufficiency/prepper/"social collapse is coming" types? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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