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Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

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39 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

The US isn't an 'Anglo' nation.  It's a continental federation and melting pot from around the world that happens to speak English for historical reasons.

The US systematically destroyed the UK as a world power so to talk of them as our 'true friends' is perverse.

Would you like the UK to be a world power?

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3 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

We you can but you just come across as unable to put comments in their context, maybe a bit of OCD going on. 

As almost anyone else would know when people say nothing is happening, they mean nothing useful or helpful to the UK's cause.   

No - I am doing exactly that. Putting them in context.

These debates need balance. So if someone is going to come out and say something completely wrong like 'NOTHING' is happening - its perfectly reasonable to expect another person to point that out.

I am pretty certain. In fact no - I am 100% certain. Not even 99.99% - that if I came out and stated everything around Brexit was going amazingly perfectly - I would have at least 4-5 people coming out within minutes to respond to that and put me straight. Of this there is no debate.

Its only the remain side that appear to get rather annoyed when their mass exaggerations are called out.........

 

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25 minutes ago, ccc said:

No - I am doing exactly that. Putting them in context.

These debates need balance. So if someone is going to come out and say something completely wrong like 'NOTHING' is happening - its perfectly reasonable to expect another person to point that out.

I am pretty certain. In fact no - I am 100% certain. Not even 99.99% - that if I came out and stated everything around Brexit was going amazingly perfectly - I would have at least 4-5 people coming out within minutes to respond to that and put me straight. Of this there is no debate.

Its only the remain side that appear to get rather annoyed when their mass exaggerations are called out.........

 

I assume this post is a long winded way of you saying yes to my question re OCD.

I would be interested to hear about what is going well, this seems to be singularly lacking in the press coverage - even the Daily Express cannot find anything positive to report.  

 

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12 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

I assume this post is a long winded way of you saying yes to my question re OCD.

I would be interested to hear about what is going well, this seems to be singularly lacking in the press coverage - even the Daily Express cannot find anything positive to report.  

 

Like weaning an addict off heroin, leaving will be hard.

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1 hour ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Would you like the UK to be a world power?

 

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1 hour ago, Confusion of VIs said:

I assume this post is a long winded way of you saying yes to my question re OCD.

I would be interested to hear about what is going well, this seems to be singularly lacking in the press coverage - even the Daily Express cannot find anything positive to report.  

 

:lol::lol:

Amazing. You have just proven my point perfectly. And I only said this as a hypothetical example. And you STILL couldn't help yourself.

Absolutely superb. :D

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22 hours ago, ccc said:

Nothing is happening ? Would you like to have a bet in that ? 

Money = mouth. 

Something is happening ? Would you like to have a bet on that ? 

Money = mouth. 

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2 hours ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Like weaning an addict off heroin, leaving will be hard.

Well, there is no giving up on the future of your country - ever. Surprising or not that's the point Leavers seem to miss.

Immigration aside, for many Leavers, Brexit seems to be a reward in itself not really a means to an end - thats what Leavers are misinterpreting as mindboggling complacency.

 

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2 minutes ago, pig said:

Well, there is no giving up on the future of your country - ever. Surprising or not that's the point Leavers seem to miss.

Immigration aside, for many Leavers, Brexit seems to be a reward in itself not really a means to an end - thats what Leavers are misinterpreting as mindboggling complacency.

 

Not at all, brexit is the beginning and not the end.

One chapter closes and another starts.

You are quite out of touch with the pulse of the nation. What part of the country / industry are you in?

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31 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Not at all, brexit is the beginning and not the end.

One chapter closes and another starts.

You are quite out of touch with the pulse of the nation. What part of the country / industry are you in?

At least one or two of the vociferous remainiacs on here actually worked / have worked for the EU - the upward movement on the gravy train being restricted is reason enough for them to want the rest of the country to prop up the sucking of the teat ..  :-)

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58 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Not at all, brexit is the beginning and not the end.

One chapter closes and another starts.

You are quite out of touch with the pulse of the nation. What part of the country / industry are you in?

Well, after endlessly asking for a viable strategy/plan/vision, online, in person, via the various admissions by MP's and so on    I think we're well past the point of believing there ever was any. Blaming Cameron for not having a Brexit strategy or May for not being able to square the circle as if everything would have been fine if not doesn't really cut it either. Even the incessant brainwashing from the MSM, the billionaires Dacre and so on just begs the question - what was the point anyway ? A whinge that got out of hand ?

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4 minutes ago, pig said:

Well, after endlessly asking for a viable strategy/plan/vision, online, in person, via the various admissions by MP's and so on    I think we're well past the point of believing there ever was any. Blaming Cameron for not having a Brexit strategy or May for not being able to square the circle as if everything would have been fine if not doesn't really cut it either. Even the incessant brainwashing from the MSM, the billionaires Dacre and so on just begs the question - what was the point anyway ? A whinge that got out of hand ?

More of the same vs. Shake it up.

You are aware this is HPC?

So where in the UK do you live?

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What about the Blair "intervention" this weekend?

If it had been Trump, the BBC would've been all over it, saying he's delusional and spreading fake news.

Because it's Blair, they let him say the EU is willing to compromise on FoM, with little challenge.  This was actually reported as serious news on BBC TV.

Blair apparently has heard it said the EU would compromise to keep the UK in.  He was never challenged to reveal where this came from.  The official line is the four freedoms are non-negotiable:  "This is not poussible" remember from Barnier only the other week.

How is it this Blair interview was reported like this?

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1 hour ago, HairyOb1 said:

Something is happening ? Would you like to have a bet on that ? 

Money = mouth. 

What's your point ?

You lot really seem to get in real hissyfits when I point out something you don't like - but which you can't argue with as it's clearly true. 

I have simply responded to two points made recently which are complete nonsense.

(1) Nothing is happening with Brexit

(2) Fox knows nothing about Brexit

When I point this out I am responded to with such claims as I have OCD or I have some strange view on reality and can't put things in context. 

It's pathetic. It really is. 

I will continue to point out nonsense when it's typed on here and is 100% factually incorrect. 

If you don't like that - I couldn't really give a toss.

It will continue - for as long as the remainers on here post nonsense.

I don't expect it to end any time soon. :D

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14 minutes ago, kzb said:

What about the Blair "intervention" this weekend?

If it had been Trump, the BBC would've been all over it, saying he's delusional and spreading fake news.

Because it's Blair, they let him say the EU is willing to compromise on FoM, with little challenge.  This was actually reported as serious news on BBC TV.

Blair apparently has heard it said the EU would compromise to keep the UK in.  He was never challenged to reveal where this came from.  The official line is the four freedoms are non-negotiable:  "This is not poussible" remember from Barnier only the other week.

How is it this Blair interview was reported like this?

Because the so called bbc is corrupt

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7 minutes ago, Byron said:

Because the so called bbc is corrupt

It's just getting beyond belief now.

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Day two of Brexit talks – and the UK looks as underprepared as ever

David Davis leaned on an empty glass table, nothing but his reflection before him. There was not even a briefing paper with the words “have cake and eat it” scrawled into the margins – much less the silver spy-proof briefcase Davis reportedly uses to guard the nation’s top-secret Brexit plans. David Davis’s grin masked grim reality of ‘taking back control’ – the complexity of even basic issues. This is just the start. Guardian

 

Sorry, what's the plan?

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14 minutes ago, rollover said:

Sorry, what's the plan?

No plan required.

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Interesting poll among Labour members, I wonder how Corbyn is going to square this with his views.

On Brexit, the survey revealed that their views are fiercely pro-EU, including that:

  • 49% of members think there should “definitely” be a vote on the final Brexit deal, with a further 29.4% answering “more yes than no” to the question, and only 8.8% definitely opposing it.
  • Two-thirds of members (66%) think Britain should definitely stay in the single market with a further fifth (20.7%) saying “more yes than no” to the question. Only 4.2% of Labour members said they definitely believed Britain should leave the grouping.
  • There were similar levels of support on the customs union with 63.1% saying Britain should definitely stay within the group, 22.2% leaning towards the same position, and only 2.4% saying the UK should definitely leave it.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/17/most-labour-members-want-uk-to-remain-in-single-market

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2 minutes ago, slawek said:

Interesting poll among Labour members, I wonder how Corbyn is going to square this with his views.

On Brexit, the survey revealed that their views are fiercely pro-EU, including that:

  • 49% of members think there should “definitely” be a vote on the final Brexit deal, with a further 29.4% answering “more yes than no” to the question, and only 8.8% definitely opposing it.
  • Two-thirds of members (66%) think Britain should definitely stay in the single market with a further fifth (20.7%) saying “more yes than no” to the question. Only 4.2% of Labour members said they definitely believed Britain should leave the grouping.
  • There were similar levels of support on the customs union with 63.1% saying Britain should definitely stay within the group, 22.2% leaning towards the same position, and only 2.4% saying the UK should definitely leave it.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/17/most-labour-members-want-uk-to-remain-in-single-market

I wouldn't describe that as being fiercely pro-EU.

Simply that they favour a soft / less disruptive Brexit.

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4 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

I wouldn't describe that as being fiercely pro-EU.

Simply that they favour a soft / less disruptive Brexit.

I agree "fiercely" seems to be over the top. But there is no doubt that Labour members are much more pro-EU than the official position, they want overwhelmingly the single market, the customs union and the second referendum.

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14 minutes ago, slawek said:

Interesting poll among Labour members, I wonder how Corbyn is going to square this with his views.

On Brexit, the survey revealed that their views are fiercely pro-EU, including that:

  • 49% of members think there should “definitely” be a vote on the final Brexit deal, with a further 29.4% answering “more yes than no” to the question, and only 8.8% definitely opposing it.
  • Two-thirds of members (66%) think Britain should definitely stay in the single market with a further fifth (20.7%) saying “more yes than no” to the question. Only 4.2% of Labour members said they definitely believed Britain should leave the grouping.
  • There were similar levels of support on the customs union with 63.1% saying Britain should definitely stay within the group, 22.2% leaning towards the same position, and only 2.4% saying the UK should definitely leave it.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/17/most-labour-members-want-uk-to-remain-in-single-market

The Guardian lol. At least the stories are nicely written. 

Everything is picked and chosen to be a biased as possible. 

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18 minutes ago, slawek said:

I agree "fiercely" seems to be over the top. But there is no doubt that Labour members are much more pro-EU than the official position, they want overwhelmingly the single market, the customs union and the second referendum.

That's still not pro-EU.

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