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9 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Corbyn doesn't have to square anything. 

All he has to do is denounce the deal as a failed Tory Brexit (too hard. too soft - doesn't matter) and oppose it.  

Either the deal will fail to get through the HoC in which case there will have to be an immediate GE,

 

What happens if it gets blocked by the HOL (my understanding is the Salisbury convention doesn't count if no overall majority) could the gov last a year?

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2 hours ago, knock out johnny said:

What happens if it gets blocked by the HOL (my understanding is the Salisbury convention doesn't count if no overall majority) could the gov last a year?

I think, but might well be wrong, that the HoL can delay legislation by a Parliamentary session which in this case would be 2 years. 

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16 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:
23 hours ago, ExiledMatty said:

You only have to look at how Brits tend to blend in better when they emigrate to anglo countries. Compare that to the 'English' villages of France, the Spanish Brit 'costas'.

Even somewhere like Melbourne that still has ghettos where Italians, Greeks live (we are talking many generations too). No such British ghettos despite the million plus Brits who have moved out to Aus.

Sorry but on an individual level we have far more in common with people from anglo nations but that wasn't really my point.

My point was on a national level. It's been spelt out many times who are real friends are. The likes of Canada, Australia, the U.S., special relationships, first in line for trade deals, happy to lend negotiators etc etc.

I've never heard anything like this coming out of European leaders. We're now disliked even more due to Brexit. 

When it comes down to the vital issues of trust and security then look up 'five eyes'. Says it all to me.

So the English live in villages, the Italians/Greeks in ghettos? not biased/bigoted at all are you

I am neither. How about British immigrants in Spain and Polish expats in the UK? Is that better?

I feel sorry for you pointing out pc nonsense like this. You've clearly been brainwashed by the British education system, BBC and such likes.

(reason #123 why living away from the UK is awesome)

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3 hours ago, ExiledMatty said:

I am neither. How about British immigrants in Spain and Polish expats in the UK? Is that better?

I feel sorry for you pointing out pc nonsense like this. You've clearly been brainwashed by the British education system, BBC and such likes.

(reason #123 why living away from the UK is awesome)

That's a really good point. We have a living ongoing "experiment" of literally millions of Polish coming to live in the UK over the past 15 years. 

They integrate far far less than any Australians, kiwis , south Africans or Americans do when coming to the UK.

They are incredibly insular in general. Very similar to Brits or Irish going to Spain actually.  

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26 minutes ago, ccc said:

 

They integrate far far less than any Australians, kiwis , south Africans or Americans do when coming to the UK.

They are incredibly insular in general. Very similar to Brits or Irish going to Spain actually.  

Really. So the 250k Poles who settled in the UK after 1945 are not integrated? Where are they? Could you show how these Poles are different from other nationalitys?

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7 minutes ago, Peter Hun said:

Really. So the 250k Poles who settled in the UK after 1945 are not integrated? Where are they? Could you show how these Poles are different from other nationalitys?

Different times. We were united against a common enemy.

we also had a smaller population density - so not the same space issues.

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19 minutes ago, Peter Hun said:

Really. So the 250k Poles who settled in the UK after 1945 are not integrated? Where are they? Could you show how these Poles are different from other nationalitys?

You're talking about their offspring. 

Polish coming here in general don't integrate into the UK very well at all.

I can't believe I'm actually having this discussion. Do you actually live in the UK ? Serious question. 

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Brexit has begun damaging London's economy

Research from the Centre for London found that the UK’s impending departure from the EU has caused a “wobble” in the capital’s economy because of a slowdown in job creation. The think tank claimed Brexit is already leading to scores of Europeans not coming to the capital to work, has led to a decline in confidence among businesses and is decelerating house price growth. The Centre for London found that registrations for new national insurance numbers by foreign workers have fallen by 15 per cent in the capital over the last year, with three-quarters of the fall accounted for by a drop in EU migration. Year-on-year house price growth was under 3 per cent for the three months to April 2017, the lowest level in London since 2012, while increases in private rental values dropped below 2 per cent to their lowest rate since 2010. ES

 

It must be shock for some of here like ccc, who argued the opposite.

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2 minutes ago, rollover said:

 

It must be shock for some of here like ccc, who argued the opposite.

What did I argue ? The opposite ? 

If less folk from the EU are now coming to the UK - for whatever reason - that's great news. 

The population strain on us is at dangerous levels already. 

Long may it continue. 

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5 minutes ago, ccc said:

What did I argue ? The opposite ? 

If less folk from the EU are now coming to the UK - for whatever reason - that's great news. 

The population strain on us is at dangerous levels already. 

Long may it continue. 

And so it will!

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41 minutes ago, ccc said:

You're talking about their offspring. 

Polish coming here in general don't integrate into the UK very well at all.

I can't believe I'm actually having this discussion. Do you actually live in the UK ? Serious question. 

I can assure you that Poles in London, where I live, are well integrated. I think it is more problem with the rest of UK than Poles if they don't integrate.

It is like blaming English for having problem integrating in Wales.

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8 minutes ago, slawek said:

I can assure you that Poles in London, where I live, are well integrated. I think it is more problem with the rest of UK than Poles if they don't integrate.

It is like blaming English for having problem integrating in Wales.

Where I live (NE Scotland) Poles - and others from EE - are well integrated. They speak English, are part of local community groups and are generally indistinguishable in their behaviour from "indigenous" Brits.

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24 minutes ago, slawek said:

can assure you that Poles in London, where I live, are well integrated. I think it is more problem with the rest of UK than Poles if they don't integrate.

London is different!

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25 minutes ago, slawek said:

I can assure you that Poles in London, where I live, are well integrated. I think it is more problem with the rest of UK than Poles if they don't integrate.

It is like blaming English for having problem integrating in Wales.

So is it the Spanish at fault for not integrating on the Costa del Sol with Brits?

What nonsense.

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6 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

So is it the Spanish at fault for not integrating on the Costa del Sol with Brits?

What nonsense.

I don't know about Spain. Non-London UK is more hermetic, which is a fact not a nonsense.  As they say it takes two to tango.

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5 minutes ago, slawek said:

I don't know about Spain. Non-London UK is more hermetic, which is a fact not a nonsense.  As they say it takes two to tango.

Well I would argue it is the Brits not integrating out in Spain; not the Spanish. Which is the point ccc is making.

Hermetic - you are talking nonsense.

It's human nature to group with your own folk. Nothing inherently wrong in that, at all.

But where it becomes a problem is numbers.

Uncontrolled immigration can be a problem. look at Italy.

Did you hear Prince William say how Polish is now the second most common spoken language in the UK.

That change has only happened in a few years. It is also something we have had no control over.

Heck tomorrow 10 million French people could move to the UK and French would be the 2nd most common language.

Look I am not against immigration, but it has to be controlled. The existing population have to have a say in it. And they haven't, for too long.

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54 minutes ago, slawek said:

I can assure you that Poles in London, where I live, are well integrated. I think it is more problem with the rest of UK than Poles if they don't integrate.

UK people not integrating with poles.

 

Buy a mirror, take a good look at yourself in it.

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48 minutes ago, TheCountOfNowhere said:

UK people not integrating with poles.

 

Buy a mirror, take a good look at yourself in it.

That's not a good idea, you could see some objectionable eye-opener there.

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1 hour ago, slawek said:

I don't know about Spain. Non-London UK is more hermetic, which is a fact not a nonsense.  As they say it takes two to tango.

All the Poles I know are lovely and well integrated... and more importantly continue to try and integrate further. No doubt there's a few bad eggs but there's no shortage of those in any nationality. One only needs to fly to Spain out of Stanstead to look at some of the tangerine obese chav-hag scum England has been breeding to be suitably ashamed. 

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7 hours ago, ExiledMatty said:

I am neither. How about British immigrants in Spain and Polish expats in the UK? Is that better?

I feel sorry for you pointing out pc nonsense like this. You've clearly been brainwashed by the British education system, BBC and such likes.

(reason #123 why living away from the UK is awesome)

:lol: The only place I have ever been accused of being PC is on this thread, I wonder why that is? 

So why did you not just say they all live in ghettos, that would have be fine and often true.

 

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1 hour ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Heck tomorrow 10 million French people could move to the UK and French would be the 2nd most common language.

GD- It was the first language once:

https://linguistics.stackexchange.com/questions/4178/why-did-england-not-maintain-french-as-a-spoken-language

Damn foreigners, coming over here, killing our kings and building those monstrous new-fangled castle carbuncles ... :-)

 

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2 hours ago, slawek said:

I can assure you that Poles in London, where I live, are well integrated. I think it is more problem with the rest of UK than Poles if they don't integrate.

It is like blaming English for having problem integrating in Wales.

Well I can assure you I live in one of the areas in the UK with the most Polish in it - and they - generally - do not integrate well at all.

That's not to say they don't speak to other people or similar. But we are talking about becoming part of the community rather than being their own community within another.  As you get with the Brits in Spain.

1 hour ago, GrizzlyDave said:

So is it the Spanish at fault for not integrating on the Costa del Sol with Brits?

What nonsense.

Very good point.

18 minutes ago, adarmo said:

All the Poles I know are lovely and well integrated... and more importantly continue to try and integrate further. No doubt there's a few bad eggs but there's no shortage of those in any nationality. One only needs to fly to Spain out of Stanstead to look at some of the tangerine obese chav-hag scum England has been breeding to be suitably ashamed. 

How do you know them ?

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2 hours ago, slawek said:

I can assure you that Poles in London, where I live, are well integrated. I think it is more problem with the rest of UK than Poles if they don't integrate.

It is like blaming English for having problem integrating in Wales.

I know quite a few eastern europeans. All seem well integrated to me.

 

 

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1 minute ago, MancTom said:

I know quite a few eastern europeans. All seem well integrated to me.

 

 

Though they are middle class types, and probably don't work with other people from the same area. So then they are likely to integrate.

Might be different for a large group all shipped in together to pick fruit.

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