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15 minutes ago, Richmond said:

Surely this is negotiation tactics. Bit like 'no deal is better than a bad deal'. DUP have a lot of power at the moment, why throw it away by not supporting? This is to just put pressure on getting the best deal possible.

Probably.

All this conciliatory vacuous politicking, and soft brexit maceration seems designed purely to keep May's tallons on the ring of power.

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8 minutes ago, ThePrufeshanul said:

After more than a week of negotiations, Theresa May cant secure 10 DUP votes which were pretty much guaranteed to go her way anyway. What possible hope have we got for the Brexit talks?

Some intruiging behind the scenes footage from Number 10:

 

 

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22 minutes ago, ThePrufeshanul said:

After more than a week of negotiations, Theresa May cant secure 10 DUP votes which were pretty much guaranteed to go her way anyway. What possible hope have we got for the Brexit talks?

Some intruiging behind the scenes footage from Number 10:

 

 

Some strong words were said. :D

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https://www.landlordtoday.co.uk/breaking-news/2017/6/fewer-eu-nationals-renting-property-in-the-eu-flatshare-data-suggests

Fewer EU nationals renting property in the UK, flatshare data suggests

Breaking News

21 June 2017

There has been a sharp decline in the number of in EU nationals looking to move to the UK following the Brexit referendum which is placing downward pressure on rental demand across many parts of the UK, fresh figures suggest.

In the run up to the referendum, the number of EU nationals looking to move to the UK was up by 14.7%, but in the same 10 months following the EU vote that dropped to growth of just 4.35%, according to new analysis of traffic to SpareRoom.co.uk.

According to the flatshare website, the UK’s decision to leave the EU has caused a particular decline in people from Eastern Europe looking to rent here, led by an 8% fall from those coming from Slovakia, followed by Poland (5.54% decline), Hungary (-3.18%), Romania (-2.78%) and Estonia (-2.21%).

“With so much uncertainty over what Brexit really means, it’s no surprise to see interest in moving to the UK from EU countries in decline. Until people know how their freedom of movement and right to reside will be affected it’s hard for them to make long term decisions,” said SpareRoom director Matt Hutchinson.

“Key Eastern European countries like Poland, Slovakia and Romania, which have traditionally supplied large number of workers to the UK, are showing the biggest drops in traffic,” he added.

The data indicates that the result of last year’s referendum is also deterring many immigrants from outside of the EU coming to the UK.

Growth in non-UK traffic in the period following the EU referendum ran at 8.73%, compared to 19.65% at the corresponding period before the referendum.

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16 minutes ago, rantnrave said:

https://www.landlordtoday.co.uk/breaking-news/2017/6/fewer-eu-nationals-renting-property-in-the-eu-flatshare-data-suggests

Fewer EU nationals renting property in the UK, flatshare data suggests

Breaking News

21 June 2017

There has been a sharp decline in the number of in EU nationals looking to move to the UK following the Brexit referendum which is placing downward pressure on rental demand across many parts of the UK, fresh figures suggest.

In the run up to the referendum, the number of EU nationals looking to move to the UK was up by 14.7%, but in the same 10 months following the EU vote that dropped to growth of just 4.35%, according to new analysis of traffic to SpareRoom.co.uk.

According to the flatshare website, the UK’s decision to leave the EU has caused a particular decline in people from Eastern Europe looking to rent here, led by an 8% fall from those coming from Slovakia, followed by Poland (5.54% decline), Hungary (-3.18%), Romania (-2.78%) and Estonia (-2.21%).

“With so much uncertainty over what Brexit really means, it’s no surprise to see interest in moving to the UK from EU countries in decline. Until people know how their freedom of movement and right to reside will be affected it’s hard for them to make long term decisions,” said SpareRoom director Matt Hutchinson.

“Key Eastern European countries like Poland, Slovakia and Romania, which have traditionally supplied large number of workers to the UK, are showing the biggest drops in traffic,” he added.

The data indicates that the result of last year’s referendum is also deterring many immigrants from outside of the EU coming to the UK.

Growth in non-UK traffic in the period following the EU referendum ran at 8.73%, compared to 19.65% at the corresponding period before the referendum.

Good!

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31 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

Well not really, it's still a growth, just not as big. Still better than going up even faster.

Was just about to say this. These figures are being 'sold' the same way we are sold inflation figures.

The fact is - there are MORE people from EE coming to look for a place to rent in the UK than there was last year. Its still increasing. So the entire people are shunning away from moving to the UK due to Brexit uncertainty is complete nonsense.

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1 hour ago, rantnrave said:

https://www.landlordtoday.co.uk/breaking-news/2017/6/fewer-eu-nationals-renting-property-in-the-eu-flatshare-data-suggests

Fewer EU nationals renting property in the UK, flatshare data suggests

Breaking News

21 June 2017

There has been a sharp decline in the number of in EU nationals looking to move to the UK following the Brexit referendum which is placing downward pressure on rental demand across many parts of the UK, fresh figures suggest.

In the run up to the referendum, the number of EU nationals looking to move to the UK was up by 14.7%, but in the same 10 months following the EU vote that dropped to growth of just 4.35%, according to new analysis of traffic to SpareRoom.co.uk.

According to the flatshare website, the UK’s decision to leave the EU has caused a particular decline in people from Eastern Europe looking to rent here, led by an 8% fall from those coming from Slovakia, followed by Poland (5.54% decline), Hungary (-3.18%), Romania (-2.78%) and Estonia (-2.21%).

“With so much uncertainty over what Brexit really means, it’s no surprise to see interest in moving to the UK from EU countries in decline. Until people know how their freedom of movement and right to reside will be affected it’s hard for them to make long term decisions,” said SpareRoom director Matt Hutchinson.

Key Eastern European countries like Poland, Slovakia and Romania, which have traditionally supplied large number of workers to the UK, are showing the biggest drops in traffic,” he added.

The data indicates that the result of last year’s referendum is also deterring many immigrants from outside of the EU coming to the UK.

Growth in non-UK traffic in the period following the EU referendum ran at 8.73%, compared to 19.65% at the corresponding period before the referendum.

Their definition of what 'traditionally' means is rather different from my own. And I suspect most people.

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I will get best Brexit deal

Ahead of tomorrow's Queen Speech, the Prime Minister signalled her determination to learn the lessons of her general election set back and regain the trust of voters. She also insisted that making a success of the UK's departure from the EU remains her top priority. She said: "We need to get Brexit right." The Prime Minister wrote: "The election result was not the one I hoped for, but this Government will respond with humility and resolve to the message the electorate sent. Express

 

I'm not too sure, not very reassuring.

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19 minutes ago, ccc said:

Was just about to say this. These figures are being 'sold' the same way we are sold inflation figures.

The fact is - there are MORE people from EE coming to look for a place to rent in the UK than there was last year. Its still increasing. So the entire people are shunning away from moving to the UK due to Brexit uncertainty is complete nonsense.

Commentators were saying there could be a last rush for the gravy train before it leaves EU central station.

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6 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

That's because we won't leave until this and 1001 other things are agreed.

We already have letters of agreement with our neighbours to manage day-day operations (like arrival departure routes for airports on the continent running though our airspace).

UK airspace is governed by the CAA ICAO IATA CANSO and EASA (which we will still be members of if we leave the EU).

The world is NOT going to end, stop, or even slow down from brexit.

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5 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

We already have letters of agreement with our neighbours to manage day-day operations (like arrival departure routes for airports on the continent running though our airspace).

UK airspace is governed by the CAA ICAO IATA CANSO and EASA (which we will still be members of if we leave the EU).

The world is NOT going to end, stop, or even slow down from brexit.

TPTB will tell you otherwise so they can sway the leavign agreement in their favour.

 

No one is listening or cares about the British people.

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1 hour ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Commentators were saying there could be a last rush for the gravy train before it leaves EU central station.

I've warned about this since the vote happened. They need to sort out an agreed date asap. If they go for the actual date ? Will be mayhem.

Nobody could argue with us using the date of us submitting article 50. It was a good 6 months ? after the actual vote. Overly generous IMO but at least we would not be risking some crazy rush in the few weeks before we actually leave.

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3 hours ago, Riedquat said:

Terrible what we've got to do now, isn't it? Actually train the people we need to do the jobs we need, what a disaster!

Exactly !  The real question to ask is why this awful situation of importing staff whilst leaving our own people to rot was allowed to develop in the first place.

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2 minutes ago, kzb said:

Exactly !  The real question to ask is why this awful situation of importing staff whilst leaving our own people to rot was allowed to develop in the first place.

My theory is that it's getting carried away with what in other circumstances is a useful thing to have. Like too much though people lurch from one extreme to the other without realising that there's a good balance somewhere in the middle. Some movement of labour is definitely a good thing, and has happened for centuries. It works across the board somewhat too. Some jobs, where a relatively small number of very skilled experts are needed in any given field, and the work for them doesn't stay in the same place, it's to everyone's benefit if they can move. Others, well, builders are needed where things are getting built (putting aside my general views on that for a moment!), and that's something where the work available will ebb and flow, so movement there is reasonable too. Large scale makes that a bit worse, but there shouldn't be much need to flow beyond the country - but still some. However once you've got that people start generalising and oversimplifying, and start looking abroad in areas where things shouldn't really be changing in the same way, and treating them all the same. That it's a problem only comes to light once you've got big imbalances (even if people can move they won't much if the pull isn't very strong).

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41 minutes ago, ccc said:

I've warned about this since the vote happened. They need to sort out an agreed date asap. If they go for the actual date ? Will be mayhem.

Nobody could argue with us using the date of us submitting article 50. It was a good 6 months ? after the actual vote. Overly generous IMO but at least we would not be risking some crazy rush in the few weeks before we actually leave.

Everyone could argue with it because it has no legal meaning and would e illegal under both UK and European law. A50 was merely the start date for discussions that may or may not end in two years with the UK leaving the EU and has no relevance to the current treaty.

Davis has already accepted that April 2019 is the earliest possible date for making any changes to FoM, and is now trying to get the EU to allow him to make changes during the transition period, something the EU have also said they won't allow. 

I don't believe there will be a last minute rush but if there is that's just part of the exit price.

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Basically we should've been training enough nurses, broadly within the travel-to-work areas in which they are required.  This is what should have been happening, why was it not?

Same goes for any other large class of workers.  You should only need to import workers to cover slight miscalculations in demand.  The fact that we considered it normal practice to import large classes of workers is the real disgrace, not that some of them are going home now.

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Brexit could be cancelled Michael Heseltine has said

The Tory peer said the possibility of a hard Brexit being implemented had “already gone” after the Prime Minister’s election gamble backfired and saw her forced to rely on the support of the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP). Lord Heseltine, a staunch Remain supporter, told BBC Newsnight it is now “very much open to question” whether Brexit will happen at all. “The idea of a hard Brexit is not credible”, he said. “I don’t think there’s the majority for it in Parliament. We have a split cabinet, we have a split country and at the first meeting [of Brexit negotiations with the EU] we lost the argument on the issue of the bill we are going to have to pay.” Independent

 

Hard to say now, but Theresa May definitely lost the Brexit elections.

 

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8 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Everyone could argue with it because it has no legal meaning and would e illegal under both UK and European law. A50 was merely the start date for discussions that may or may not end in two years with the UK leaving the EU and has no relevance to the current treaty.

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I don't understand this.  This is point #3 in Article 50:

The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

So it does have a legal meaning surely.  Unless the European Council and the UK unanimously agree to extend it, the UK is out after the two-year notice period.

 

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15 minutes ago, kzb said:

I don't understand this.  This is point #3 in Article 50:

The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

So it does have a legal meaning surely.  Unless the European Council and the UK unanimously agree to extend it, the UK is out after the two-year notice period.

 

Yes from the implementation date of the withdrawal agreement, so if everything was tied up in two years April 19 and we leave.

However, almost nobody thinks that can, or will, happen and the EU are currently saying that if we seek an extension or transition period they will only grant it if FoM continues to apply. 

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56 minutes ago, kzb said:

Exactly !  The real question to ask is why this awful situation of importing staff whilst leaving our own people to rot was allowed to develop in the first place.

The lazy option.

41 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Everyone could argue with it because it has no legal meaning and would e illegal under both UK and European law. A50 was merely the start date for discussions that may or may not end in two years with the UK leaving the EU and has no relevance to the current treaty.

Davis has already accepted that April 2019 is the earliest possible date for making any changes to FoM, and is now trying to get the EU to allow him to make changes during the transition period, something the EU have also said they won't allow. 

I don't believe there will be a last minute rush but if there is that's just part of the exit price.

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We are leaving European Law. In case you haven't noticed - we have just begun a negotiation. Funnily enough - things get negotiated within these.

25 minutes ago, kzb said:

I don't understand this.  This is point #3 in Article 50:

The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

So it does have a legal meaning surely.  Unless the European Council and the UK unanimously agree to extend it, the UK is out after the two-year notice period.

 

I'm not quite sure what the above means either. Is the date of entry into force when we submitted article 50 or when we actually leave ?

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