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pig   
1 hour ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Fine if you are part of the EU, not relevant otherwise.  

Look at it from their point of view, by investing huge amounts of political and financial capital they have created something of value. Now if an outsider (and competitor) wants access, the EU will think lets work how much that's worth to you and agree a price that is beneficial to both of us. Which say £40bn would be.

You proposal would be similar to me going to BMW saying can you sell me a nice new £100k M5 for £30k (that's the marginal cost of production, once all the sunk costs have been paid). Not going to work is it.   

 

You forgot to add its 'in their interest' to sell it for 30K because if they don't, that's a lost sale and we both lose out, the bullying vindictive barstools.

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4 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Serious question, given that the average value that the economic forecasters put on the UK having full access to the single market, over trading on WTO terms is +£100bn a year what would it be fair for the EU to charge us for access.  £20, £30, £40bn.

Some sources for that £100bn please?

 

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rollover   
1 hour ago, GrizzlyDave said:

I know how we will get on.

Just need look at how Greece got on.

Different kettle of fish.

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Brexit negotiations set to start on 19 June

EU chief negotiator plans to start talks billed as most important in UK history 11 days after general election. The EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, has pencilled in 19 June for the first formal day of talks with Britain about its withdrawal from the EU.

That highly symbolic morning, Barnier will face whoever is the British Brexit secretary after the election.

Brussels cancelled plans for behind-the-scenes “pre-talk talks” to discuss how the negotiations could be handled in anger last month when Britain vetoed the shuffling of the EU budget to priority areas, such as the migration crisis. Guardian

 

Hold on to your hat, we are in for a bumpy ride.

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1 hour ago, pig said:

You forgot to add its 'in their interest' to sell it for 30K because if they don't, that's a lost sale and we both lose out, the bullying vindictive barstools.

You forgot the fee for having the privalege of entering their showroom before you can even consider buying from them.

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5 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Fine if you are part of the EU, not relevant otherwise.  

Look at it from their point of view, by investing huge amounts of political and financial capital they have created something of value. Now if an outsider (and competitor) wants access, the EU will think lets work how much that's worth to you and agree a price that is beneficial to both of us. Which say £40bn would be.

You proposal would be similar to me going to BMW saying can you sell me a nice new £100k M5 for £30k (that's the marginal cost of production, once all the sunk costs have been paid). Not going to work is it.   

 

Made up nonsense figures.

Also you see only one side. How much is trading with us worth to the EU? You can subtract that off the price for starters.

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pig   
4 hours ago, Riedquat said:

You forgot the fee for having the privalege of entering their showroom before you can even consider buying from them.

No - "the apples that fell upwards I ignored in my equations" ( Sic Isaac Newton)

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pig   
22 hours ago, ccc said:

Completely missing the point. Yet again.

Bored with this now. We are leaving. 

Sounds like it.

Going to man up and see if you can make it out the front door ? ;)

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49 minutes ago, the gardener said:

The first of many cracks in the unity of the EU27. Sit tight Mrs May and they'll soon break ranks.

But that's not good for getting a deal.  If they are fighting among themselves then we can't get agreement for a deal.

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18 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

But that's not good for getting a deal.  If they are fighting among themselves then we can't get agreement for a deal.

It was always going to be hard brexit, 30+ vetos in 24 months; never going to happen.

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pig   
1 hour ago, the gardener said:

The first of many cracks in the unity of the EU27. Sit tight Mrs May and they'll soon break ranks.

The story is actually about Ireland specifically being screwed over by Brexit.

Interesting comment about refusing to close the border...

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5 hours ago, the gardener said:

Made up nonsense figures.

Also you see only one side. How much is trading with us worth to the EU? You can subtract that off the price for starters.

What figures are you using.

Bit rich coming from you, Mr anything I don't like must be wrong.

About £50bn.

Maybe that would give us about £25bn if we went for 50-50 split of the benefits of a deal; but as the relative economic harm impacts about 10 to 1 on the UK, they may decide they don't need to. 

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34 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

It was always going to be hard brexit, 30+ vetos in 24 months; never going to happen.

There is a big difference between a hard Brexit and no deal.

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27 minutes ago, pig said:

The story is actually about Ireland specifically being screwed over by Brexit.

Interesting comment about refusing to close the border...

Ireland may do quite well out of a hard Brexit, already there is a shortage of high quality commercial property in Dublin as leases and options are being bought up as firms makes their contingency plans to move staff out of London.  We could easily see +5,000 jobs move to Dublin which is quite a big deal for a country the size of Ireland.  

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On 2017-5-17 at 10:00 PM, Confusion of VIs said:

That's a statement not an example. Can you give one example where specifically EU and not WTO rules prevented the propping up of a failing industry. 

NB I am ignoring the fact that even if you can, propping up failing industries is a very bad idea.

EU state aid rules didn't prevent this prop...

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Alstom: Margrethe Vestager sees no state aid issues

The French government plans to buy 15 high-speed trains from the company to save a factory...

 

http://www.politico.eu/article/alstom-margrethe-vestager-sees-no-state-aid-issues-trains-competition-europe/

...odd since:

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  • the intervention gives the recipient an advantage on a selective basis, for example to specific companies or industry sectors, or to companies located in specific regions

http://ec.europa.eu/competition/state_aid/overview/index_en.html

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36 minutes ago, pig said:

The story is actually about Ireland specifically being screwed over by Brexit.

Interesting comment about refusing to close the border...

No one is going to close the border as checkpoints are too tempting a target for any remnants of the IRA still up for the armed struggle.

If we go down the tariff route, I can see the border areas booming like Hong Kong as the smuggling opportunities will be endless. Perhaps one of those farms that span the border would be a great investment.

 

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Even the Pub Landlord Hates Theresa May's Migrant Cap .... Bloomberg

51cfba9d1377a59c00c5746e058faa24

 

What on earth has a Remainer got to do to get a pint around here?

Just yesterday I posted about Theresa's doubling of tariffs on non-EU migrant employment. *Sigh*  :unsure:

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3 minutes ago, Sheeple Splinter said:

What is the story here, no complaint made so no case/issue?

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On 2017-5-18 at 11:03 AM, cashinmattress said:

Pretty much. UK and ROI have exceptions to the FoM in terms of how it can (could) be used to regulate etc...

However,  Westminster has thus far chosen not to exercise these exceptions....thus making it a more a Westminster issue and less an EU one.

Why? It's too expensive... simply.

But we're not supposed to talk sense or fact here. Just circle jerk with emotionally dishonest bigotry masked as empty and incorrect political rhetoric.

Oh well, at least the farce that is Brexit so far is allowing policy to be rammed down onto the public. Good time to be rich and influential, innit?

And of course, Brexit won't alter the fact that the UK is broke and on borrowed time.

Brexit will make a difference...

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On 2017-5-18 at 11:10 AM, thecrashingisles said:

Do you think the EU should judge what the UK's interests are?  If not then why do you presume to judge what the EU's interests are?  They believe the integrity of the single market is critical and you'll just have to live with that.

 

On 2017-5-18 at 11:14 AM, thecrashingisles said:

It's been done to death.  You can't have a Europe based on rules if one country can flout the rules and still get treated as an equal.

Leaving EU members that flout the rules aside, the EU does have opt-outs and opt-ins:

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Opting out

Certain European Union countries have what are known as ‘opt-outs’, which are a means of ensuring that when a given country does not wish to join the others in a particular field of EU policy, it can opt out, thus avoiding an overall stalemate.

Examples of opt-outs include:

  • Schengen Agreement: Ireland and the United Kingdom;
  • economic and monetary union: Denmark and the United Kingdom;
  • defence: Denmark
  • EU Charter of Fundamental Rights: Poland and the United Kingdom;
  • area of freedom, security and justice: Denmark, Ireland and the United Kingdom (the latter two countries may opt into given initiatives if they wish).

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/summary/glossary/opting_out.html

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8 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

What is the story here, no complaint made so no case/issue?

:lol:

Any idea who complained about Apple, other than the EU commission?

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...“Member states cannot give tax benefits to selected companies – this is illegal under EU state aid rules,” said the European competition commissioner, Margrethe Vestager, whose investigation of Apple’s complex tax dealings has taken three years.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/aug/30/apple-pay-back-taxes-eu-ruling-ireland-state-aid

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On 2017-5-18 at 11:29 PM, ZeroSumGame said:

So expecting to continue EU migration for the foreseeable future then? Not in line with electionspeak is it.

 

 

19 minutes ago, ZeroSumGame said:

Even the Pub Landlord Hates Theresa May's Migrant Cap .... Bloomberg

51cfba9d1377a59c00c5746e058faa24

 

What on earth has a Remainer got to do to get a pint around here?

Just yesterday I posted about Theresa's doubling of tariffs on non-EU migrant employment. *Sigh*  :unsure:

Do you think tariffs should apply to EU migrants whilst we are still in the EU?

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