Sheeple Splinter Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, Futuroid said: Slowly the ship is turning weaving... It's 50:50 for Brexit now, just give it another few weeks... You said that last month... Mar 21st. Another goldfish moment... Considering the onslaught of Remain/Project Fear/Opportunism in the MSM, you must be very, very disappointed. Chin up; tactical voting next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Sheeple Splinter said: You said that last month... Mar 21st. Another goldfish moment... Considering the onslaught of Remain/Project Fear/Opportunism in the MSM, you must be very, very disappointed. Chin up; tactical voting next. That could be interesting with 32% of Conservatives in the Brexit is wrong camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheeple Splinter Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, pig said: That could be interesting with 32% of Conservatives in the Brexit is wrong camp. Interesting for more reasons than just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, Sheeple Splinter said: Interesting for more reasons than just that. Of course - look at Wales swinging Tory in the news today for example. But that percentage is about double of what I imagined. Anybody other than Corbyn and we'd all be bracing ourselves for a very unpredictable election with UKIP haemorrhaging to the Tories and the Tories haemorrhaging to the Lib Dems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheeple Splinter Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 10 minutes ago, pig said: Of course - look at Wales swinging Tory in the news today for example. But that percentage is about double of what I imagined. Anybody other than Corbyn and we'd all be bracing ourselves for a very unpredictable election with UKIP haemorrhaging to the Tories and the Tories haemorrhaging to the Lib Dems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futuroid Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 11 minutes ago, Sheeple Splinter said: You said that last month... Mar 21st. Another goldfish moment... If I was quoting a YouGov poll carried out on the 21st April in March maybe I am from the future! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Quote EU ‘sherpas’ agree on draft Brexit guidelines Delegates from the EU’s capitals agreed Monday on draft guidelines for the upcoming Brexit negotiations, which call for a step-by-step approach and would require divorce terms to be settled before discussion on a future trade deal. Consensus among the so-called EU sherpas, representing the 27 capitals, sets the stage for a summit of EU leaders in Brussels this Saturday, where the draft guidelines are to be approved. A senior EU official said the draft guidelines were agreed with only minor technical adjustments, and largely remain as initially written by officials at the direction of European Council President Donald Tusk The guidelines put top priority on securing guarantees of citizens’ rights, and hashing out the financial terms of the U.K.’s withdrawal. They also put emphasis on the importance of border issues, particularly related to Ireland and Gibraltar. Politico And that's it for hard Brexit. It will be as soft as EU will say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 30 minutes ago, rollover said: And that's it for hard Brexit. It will be as soft as EU will say. If Theresa May walks (which I don't think she will), then we'll get a hard Brexit. So it'll be down to either associate membership or EEA... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 19 minutes ago, fru-gal said: The Lib Dems should run a pro-remain (and cannabis legalisation) platform. Brexit will still happen but they will pick up a load of ex-Tory remainers and the younger vote. Better to have a more diverse parliament than just the Tories with a huge majority (hopefully) doing the bidding of the idle rich. It used to be the rich hiding behind the scenes reducing obstacles to their power (mainly 'government' at the expense of the poor). If Trumps America is anything to go by the future has them taking direct control ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Futuroid said: I didn't. Was I the only person who replied? You had to reply. That's what people seeking attention DESPERATELY do. Well done. You couldn't be more obvious if you tried. It's a pretty poor show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ccc said: You had to reply. That's what people seeking attention DESPERATELY do. Well done. You couldn't be more obvious if you tried. It's a pretty poor show. Very slow day for Brexiters, not much is going on at their side of the pond. Edited April 24, 2017 by rollover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 EU warns Britain it faces a 'bloodbath' from farmers if the Government tries to make it easier for cheap food to be imported in a trade deal with the US The EU has warned Britain it faces a 'bloodbath' from the public and farmers that makes it easier for cheap food to be imported from the US under a new trade deal. EU Agriculture Commissioner Phil Hogan said 'hormone beef' and 'chlorine chicken' - produced in the United States which has lower food standards - would face a backlash if they arrived on British store shelves. Hormone-treated beef and chlorine washed chicken are currently banned in Britain under European food standard rules. He slammed Trade Secretary Liam Fox for pushing to include food in any US-UK trade deal after Brexit. Daily Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroSumGame Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, rollover said: Very slow day for Brexiters, not much is going on at their side of the pond. Yip. EU dictating T&Cs.... Bloomberg : Quote EU Toughens Brexit Position Again With Citizens' Rights Demand The new language delivers a blow to those in the U.K. who speculated victory in June’s snap election would make it easier for Prime Minister Theresa May to secure a better Brexit deal for Britain. The continent’s policymakers have instead signaled no interest in revising their hard-line stance aimed at ensuring the U.K. isn’t better off outside the bloc than inside it. Quote U.K. Starts to Drop ‘Crazier’ Brexit Ideas, EU’s Hogan Says U.K. plan to strike trade deals outside EU is “fanciful” ‘Looney’ voices on Brexit still remain, EU Commissioner says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, rollover said: EU warns Britain it faces a 'bloodbath' from farmers if the Government tries to make it easier for cheap food to be imported in a trade deal with the US The EU has warned Britain it faces a 'bloodbath' from the public and farmers that makes it easier for cheap food to be imported from the US under a new trade deal. EU Agriculture Commissioner Phil Hogan said 'hormone beef' and 'chlorine chicken' - produced in the United States which has lower food standards - would face a backlash if they arrived on British store shelves. Hormone-treated beef and chlorine washed chicken are currently banned in Britain under European food standard rules. He slammed Trade Secretary Liam Fox for pushing to include food in any US-UK trade deal after Brexit. Daily Mail Serious question - what is wrong with Liam Fox ? Was he at some point kicked in the head by a horse ? A socialist satirist, originally from Spitting Image, spinning out an elaborate ruse ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, ZeroSumGame said: The new language delivers a blow to those in the U.K. who speculated victory in June’s snap election would make it easier for Prime Minister Theresa May to secure a better Brexit deal for Britain. The continent’s policymakers have instead signaled no interest in revising their hard-line stance aimed at ensuring the U.K. isn’t better off outside the bloc than inside it. U.K. plan to strike trade deals outside EU is “fanciful” ‘Looney’ voices on Brexit still remain, EU Commissioner says Don't you know the grass will be greener on the other side of the Brexit. A promise is a promise, at least that's what they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, pig said: Serious question - what is wrong with Liam Fox ? Was he at some point kicked in the head by a horse ? A socialist satirist, originally from Spitting Image, spinning out an elaborate ruse ? 'Liam Fox is pushing for agriculture to be included in such (UK-US trade) discussions, claiming that Americans have been eating hormone beef and chlorine chicken perfectly safely for years, so what's all the fuss about?' he said. Daily Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, rollover said: 'Liam Fox is pushing for agriculture to be included in such (UK-US trade) discussions, claiming that Americans have been eating hormone beef and chlorine chicken perfectly safely for years, so what's all the fuss about?' he said. Daily Mail Or is he conceding everything to the US before negotiations have even started because he's genuinely worried people will no longer be able to afford food ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsby Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 2 hours ago, pig said: Probably best if you read the article. However those numbers have been moving about - it was like that back in March and I'd guess the margins are too small not to be messed up by error. A couple more percentage points though, say a 6 point swing instead of 4 and maybe that would be the beginning of a story. I must be missing something. Opposition is not at a record high because it was 48% on the day of the referendum, and has been at 44% on two other occasions since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, Digsby said: I must be missing something. Opposition is not at a record high because it was 48% on the day of the referendum, and has been at 44% on two other occasions since. Yes, I guess you must be. Quite remarkable really as the article is tiny and the chart fairly uncomplicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, Digsby said: I must be missing something. Opposition is not at a record high because it was 48% on the day of the referendum, and has been at 44% on two other occasions since. Yes, pro-Brexit was 52% on the day of the referendum, and is 44% now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsby Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 1 minute ago, pig said: Yes, I guess you must be. Quite remarkable really as the article is tiny and the chart fairly uncomplicated. Perhaps I skipped over the bit that said "if you tilt your monitor clockwise and ignore inconvenient facts". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, Digsby said: Perhaps I skipped over the bit that said "if you tilt your monitor clockwise and ignore inconvenient facts". Well that settles it then: you're obviously reading a different article to anybody else on the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19 year mortgage 8itch Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Sheeple Splinter said: WHAT... THE... ******!!!!!!! From my own anecdotal sample of 1 I can actually believe this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 48 minutes ago, rollover said: Don't you know the grass will be greener on the other side of the Brexit. A promise is a promise, at least that's what they say. What promise was this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knock out johnny Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 16 hours ago, ccc said: No need for juvenile stupid pictures. It's a simple question. What "Club" is this we are speaking of ? You've got form for asking dopey questions when you full well know what the answer is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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