Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Option5 said:

My ex wife might disagree, i had to replace lots of wing mirrors (and bumpers, and alloy wheels)

 Bad example. Chassis bits don't break on their own - apart from bad initial design. [edit: or poor spacial awareness]

Edited September 13, 2017 by Guest

[GrizzlyDave]

32 minutes ago, highYield said:

My comment was from a user point of view. Wing mirrors seldom break - it's always the engine or gearbox.

With me it's 'CV boot joint gaiters'.

no fooking idea what they are, or why I have needed to buy so many over the years!

[OnionTerror]

@Sheeple Splinter

 

[Confusion of VIs]

16 hours ago, HairyOb1 said:

You've cheered me up by being a cockjockey, nothing else.
 

To quote ccc, Pathetic

[Confusion of VIs]

8 hours ago, Sheeple Splinter said:

Surely Labour can't miss an open goal...?

As posted above, have to wait for May's announcement on the 21st...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-04/may-s-brexit-speech-could-delay-next-brexit-talks-round-eu-says

You would think not but .......

Could this be behind the apparent rumor that May is going to announce she is giving notice on our membership of the EEA next week. An attempt to remove the EEA ball before Labour can play it.

However, I tried today but have not been able to find anyone who has any knowledge of what is behind this this rumor and even if its true, given the Supreme Courts pretty clear direction that Parliament must approve any removal of existing rights, can she be sure she would win the necessary vote.     

Edited September 13, 2017 by Confusion of VIs

[OnionTerror]

28 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

You would think not but .......

Could this be behind the apparent rumor that May is going to announce she is giving notice on our membership of the EEA next week. An attempt to remove the EEA ball before Labour can play it.

However, I tried today but have not been able to find anyone who has any knowledge of what is behind this this rumor and even if its true, given the Supreme Courts pretty clear direction that Parliament must approve any removal of existing rights, can she be sure she would win the necessary vote.     

That was my thinking too...I thought MPs would have to vote to leave the single market, and Mrs May probably wouldn't win that one.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/09/12/the-eea-option-saving-britain-from-hard-brexit

But there is one final, more interesting theory. Some believe that the government is scared an announcement on Article 127 would trigger a legal battle which would end with them having to hold a vote on single market membership in the Commons. And they could easily lose that vote.

[rollover]

 

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Hammond gives City first glimpse of government's Brexit position on financial services

In his speech to the UK Finance Annual Dinner at Mansion House last night, Hammond set out his ambitions for a transition period after March 2019, “during which the UK and the EU 27 will retain access to each other’s markets, and will operate a harmonised customs arrangement”. This would likely avoid a ‘cliff-edge’ scenario that has spooked the City and businesses across the UK. The chancellor said such a specialised deal would represent a “new paradigm” because “no existing trade agreement, nor third-country access to the EU, supports the scale of reciprocal trade in financial services that exists between the UK and the EU.”

City of London Corporation policy chair Catherine McGuinness said: “It really is a crossroads moment for the City. For a host of firms they will be incredibly close to activating their contingency plans and deciding where they might locate their business. “We desperately need clarity and an update on market access, transitional agreements and immigration policies.”

City AM

 

but I am not sure if other part of leavers share the same view.

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[GrizzlyDave]

27 minutes ago, rollover said:

 

but I am not sure if other part of leavers share the same view.

Hammond is a remainer. As is May.

[Guest]

Dyson interview on Sky echoing the sentiments of many on here: http://news.sky.com/story/uk-should-make-a-clean-break-from-eu-says-james-dyson-11034559

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Britain should make a "clean break" from the European Union instead of pursuing any kind of interim deal, according to one of the country's best-known businessmen.

Sir James Dyson told Sky News that a transitional agreement would be "a muddle".

"You end up having to do one transitional arrangement, and then another one. So just have a clean break, it's not a big deal."

Sir James, who backed the Brexit campaign in 2016, said he was comfortable with Britain instead switching to the tariff system used by the World Trade Organisation, and to turning its attention away from Europe.

"Europe is a declining part of world trade," he said.

"It's now down to 12% and in about five years' time it will be 9% of world trade. The fastest growing sector is, of course, in the far east, China and the far eastern countries where we're growing by about 80% or 90% a year. That's where the opportunities are - not Europe."

 

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He said: "There is a huge shortage of engineers in Britain - it's estimated we'll be two million engineers short by 2022 - but more interestingly we're short of very good engineers. We want to develop the best tech in the world and make products that conquer the world.

"It's blindingly obvious that we need to take on more engineers, and if people study here then they'll be learning from some of the best in the world." It is, he says, Britain's first new university for 40 years.

 

[jonb2]

44 minutes ago, highYield said:

Dyson interview on Sky echoing the sentiments of many on here: http://news.sky.com/story/uk-should-make-a-clean-break-from-eu-says-james-dyson-11034559

 

 

1) https://mobile.twitter.com/richardthomas37/status/891606041263210497

2) Why would Dyson need engineers for the cr*p he makes?

 

[GrizzlyDave]

53 minutes ago, highYield said:

Dyson interview on Sky echoing the sentiments of many on here: http://news.sky.com/story/uk-should-make-a-clean-break-from-eu-says-james-dyson-11034559

 

 

I was very impressed. He was talking on R4.

He has just taken on 30 apprentice engineers who will be paid and learn on the job and after 4 years gain a Warwick Uni degree (and a Dyson Degree eventually). No debt, no tie in clause.

www.dysoninstitute.com

Edited September 14, 2017 by GrizzlyDave

[Guest]

1 hour ago, jonb2 said:

1) https://mobile.twitter.com/richardthomas37/status/891606041263210497

2) Why would Dyson need engineers for the cr*p he makes?

 

1) I wonder why? Apparently he receives £1.6 million in EU farming subsidies - which can't be that big a deal for someone apparently worth £8 billion?

2) You can't seriously be suggesting that Dyson isn't an engineer - and doesn't need engineers. It's a clever concept to take conventional industrial principles/processes and re-engineer them into consumer products. A British production/manufacturing/engineering company who's sales grew to £2.5 billion last year - what more do you want?

edit: this is interesting, and perhaps goes some way to explain his EU antipathy; Dyson products already pay WTO tariffs in the EU (hence I guess UK):

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Dyson pays WTO tariffs because it manufactures products in Singapore then exports them around the world, including to Europe.

Dyson, a prominent supporter of Brexit before last year’s referendum, said: “They have not held us back at all. It is clearly not a barrier to exporting into Europe.”

The investor said that the tariffs were a “tiny penalty to pay” compared to other taxes such as corporation tax.

However, he also said that he did not expect the UK to have to fall back on WTO tariffs. “I don’t believe it will get to that, it’s not in Europe’s interests,” he said.

 

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[kzb]

16 hours ago, highYield said:

My comment was from a user point of view. Wing mirrors seldom break - it's always the engine or gearbox.

Most common cause of breakdowns is electrical.  Engines and gearboxes are amazingly long lasting these days (touches wood...)

But that's not the point.  The point is, the existing suppliers all over the EU that supply parts for the mechanical and associated components are out of a job.

Yes EVs still need parts but there are far fewer of them (90% fewer) and for the most part they are based on very different technology to what these suppliers currently supply.

The switch to EVs is going to turn it all upside down.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, kzb said:

Most common cause of breakdowns is electrical.  Engines and gearboxes are amazingly long lasting these days (touches wood...)

But that's not the point.  The point is, the existing suppliers all over the EU that supply parts for the mechanical and associated components are out of a job.

Yes EVs still need parts but there are far fewer of them (90% fewer) and for the most part they are based on very different technology to what these suppliers currently supply.

The switch to EVs is going to turn it all upside down.

Apologies for having rambled off topic. I guess the above is why Bosch is investing so heavily in self drive technology.

[ZeroSumGame]

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Brexit negotiations not going ‘in the way we might hope’ says former Bank of England governor Mervyn King

Independent

Actual interview on the link. Pretty interesting  comments from one of the few Brexit  supporting economists.

[kzb]

A Dyson Degree???

[GrizzlyDave]

1 minute ago, kzb said:

A Dyson Degree???

Eventually. Yes. A bachelors degree in engineering from the 'Dyson institute'.

[kzb]

1 minute ago, ZeroSumGame said:

Independent

Actual interview on the link. Pretty interesting  comments from one of the few Brexit  supporting economists.

He was on Newsnight last night.  I'm not sure if the description Brexit supporting is really true,  I think he is simply less worried by it than most Remainers.

Anyhow, his point was Brexit could be a success, but he is disappointed by our negotiating strategy.  We need a fall-back position, a Plan B negotiating team who are dealing with the WTO option.  That was his big point, and it is probably a good one.

This is another reptile who has suddenly developed intelligence only after he left his post.

[ccc]

4 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Eventually. Yes. A bachelors degree in engineering from the 'Dyson institute'.

An actual useful degree - in something that every country needs - that results in you passing and getting a job for the company running the degrees ?

Sounds errr.... quite a common sense approach.

[kzb]

8 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Eventually. Yes. A bachelors degree in engineering from the 'Dyson institute'.

What next Wiping Tables MSc from University of Colonel Sanders?

[ccc]

2 minutes ago, kzb said:

What next Wiping Tables MSc from University of Colonel Sanders?

That's not really a fair comparison.

[ZeroSumGame]

15 minutes ago, kzb said:

He was on Newsnight last night.  I'm not sure if the description Brexit supporting is really true,  I think he is simply less worried by it than most Remainers.

Anyhow, his point was Brexit could be a success, but he is disappointed by our negotiating strategy.  We need a fall-back position, a Plan B negotiating team who are dealing with the WTO option.  That was his big point, and it is probably a good one.

This is another reptile who has suddenly developed intelligence only after he left his post.

Yes, I saw the Newsnight original.  He's clearly a clever bloke, but played to the piper when in post.

Agree that Britain needs a full WTO  stance ready and waiting.  The fact that there isn't one under consideration, could only be incompetence or a supreme belief in getting the negotiated settlement that Britain wants.

David Davis is clearly David Cameron Mk II.

I still expect full hard BREXIT though.

[jonb2]

47 minutes ago, highYield said:

1) I wonder why? Apparently he receives £1.6 million in EU farming subsidies - which can't be that big a deal for someone apparently worth £8 billion?

2) You can't seriously be suggesting that Dyson isn't an engineer - and doesn't need engineers. It's a clever concept to take conventional industrial principles/processes and re-engineer them into consumer products. A British production/manufacturing/engineering company who's sales grew to £2.5 billion last year - what more do you want?

edit: this is interesting, and perhaps goes some way to explain his EU antipathy; Dyson products already pay WTO tariffs in the EU (hence I guess UK):

 

1) Dyson has a problem with the EU and wants revenge:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/11075490/James-Dyson-suggests-leaving-the-EU-over-vacuum-cleaners.html

Never mind the rest of us or the fecking country.

 

2) I will never buy a Dyson again, and recommend to anybody that asks me to avoid them like the plague. They are the iPhone of hoovering. Overpriced and most of the margin spent on marketing rather than product.

Miele for me, as their products work better and their customer service is 10x better than Dyson was. Henry is good too.

 

[GrizzlyDave]

30 minutes ago, ZeroSumGame said:

Independent

Actual interview on the link. Pretty interesting  comments from one of the few Brexit  supporting economists.

Merv's comments seem sensible to me.

[GrizzlyDave]

19 minutes ago, kzb said:

What next Wiping Tables MSc from University of Colonel Sanders?

It's an accredited degree in engineering, sponsored by an extremely forward thinking innovative organisation.