spyguy Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Mar 2012: http://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/news/business/guests-distraught-over-selling-hotel-1-4299920 'ANOTHER Scarborough hotel is on the market as the owners of the Raincliffe Hotel put the business up for sale. After nearly eight years running the guest house in Valley Road, owners Malcolm and Katherine Harper are selling up. The business, which includes 14 ensuite letting rooms and recorded a profit of £89,337 in 2010/11, is on the market with an asking price of £550,000.' Jan 2016: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/commercial-property-for-sale/property-39113223.html?premiumA=true OIRO 470K 'Situated in the attractive Valley Road Conservation Area close to the town centre and within easy walking distance of the beach, Spa complex, Rotunda Museum and the Art Gallery, the Raincliffe is a very well located guest house set amidst sought after imposing mainly residential properties on the popular south side of Scarborough. Following continued substantial investment by the owners the facilities are very well presented and this superb business drawing discerning commercial and tourist clientele has developed into a highly profitable venture. Owners also enjoy the marvellous benefit of a purpose built ground floor flat and, of course, the advantage of living and working in a beautiful resort.Scarborough is a tremendously popular resort with a huge range of natural attractions, sights and activities. There are two lovely bays either side of a castle on a prominent headland, colourful harbour, bustling seafront with amusements and entertainment, golden sands, good surfing, award winning gardens, top class golf courses and the advantage of the North York Moors National Park on the doorstep. The Raincliffe is well located for access to all the major attractions and in particular those of the South Bay and town centre which include the wonderful Spa complex with its summer shows and conference facilities. Scarborough is a large town which generates commercial bedroom trade throughout the year and the Raincliffe is close to the new Coventry University Scarborough campus which opens in September 2016 and new sports village.The current owners acquired the Raincliffe in March 2004 and have improved and extended the property whilst developing a highly profitable year round business. Works have included the creation of additional larger letting bedrooms, en suite facilities and owner’s flat, new central heating boilers, new hot water cylinder, electrical rewiring, new fire alarm system, complete roof renewal, a new kitchen, and replacement of most of the windows with new double glazing. Now, the decision to sell gives buyers a marvellous opportunity to acquire a superb business where the hard work has been done and all is in place for continued high profits.' Its a shame I cannot find out what they paid. It seems to have aquired an extra bed room in 4 years, or maybe even the EAs in scabby top out at 12 fingers. And the question I always ask - Why sell if its profitable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long time lurking Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Mar 2012: http://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/news/business/guests-distraught-over-selling-hotel-1-4299920 'ANOTHER Scarborough hotel is on the market as the owners of the Raincliffe Hotel put the business up for sale. After nearly eight years running the guest house in Valley Road, owners Malcolm and Katherine Harper are selling up. The business, which includes 14 ensuite letting rooms and recorded a profit of £89,337 in 2010/11, is on the market with an asking price of £550,000.' Jan 2016: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/commercial-property-for-sale/property-39113223.html?premiumA=true OIRO 470K 'Situated in the attractive Valley Road Conservation Area close to the town centre and within easy walking distance of the beach, Spa complex, Rotunda Museum and the Art Gallery, the Raincliffe is a very well located guest house set amidst sought after imposing mainly residential properties on the popular south side of Scarborough. Following continued substantial investment by the owners the facilities are very well presented and this superb business drawing discerning commercial and tourist clientele has developed into a highly profitable venture. Owners also enjoy the marvellous benefit of a purpose built ground floor flat and, of course, the advantage of living and working in a beautiful resort. Scarborough is a tremendously popular resort with a huge range of natural attractions, sights and activities. There are two lovely bays either side of a castle on a prominent headland, colourful harbour, bustling seafront with amusements and entertainment, golden sands, good surfing, award winning gardens, top class golf courses and the advantage of the North York Moors National Park on the doorstep. The Raincliffe is well located for access to all the major attractions and in particular those of the South Bay and town centre which include the wonderful Spa complex with its summer shows and conference facilities. Scarborough is a large town which generates commercial bedroom trade throughout the year and the Raincliffe is close to the new Coventry University Scarborough campus which opens in September 2016 and new sports village. The current owners acquired the Raincliffe in March 2004 and have improved and extended the property whilst developing a highly profitable year round business. Works have included the creation of additional larger letting bedrooms, en suite facilities and owner’s flat, new central heating boilers, new hot water cylinder, electrical rewiring, new fire alarm system, complete roof renewal, a new kitchen, and replacement of most of the windows with new double glazing. Now, the decision to sell gives buyers a marvellous opportunity to acquire a superb business where the hard work has been done and all is in place for continued high profits.' Its a shame I cannot find out what they paid. It seems to have aquired an extra bed room in 4 years, or maybe even the EAs in scabby top out at 12 fingers. And the question I always ask - Why sell if its profitable? Yup that's the question i thought the 2009> vintage BTL ers would have asked themselves when buy from the prior BTLer who bought for less A paid for land reg search will provide the last sale price (if more than just curiosity)? https://eservices.landregistry.gov.uk/www/wps/portal/!ut/p/b1/04_Sj9CPykssy0xPLMnMz0vMAfGjzOKNjSxMDA1NjDwsjM3MDTxN3dyNDUNMjQ1MjPWDU_P0C7IdFQG9k5Tz/ a title register where you can find out who owns the property, price paid/value stated information if sold since April 2000 and any rights of way or restrictions on the land noted on the register for only £3 (view title register example ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted January 16, 2016 Author Share Posted January 16, 2016 Yeah. Im to tight to pay £3! Id love to know what 'recorded a profit of £89,337' means. Revenue, in which case its pretty low. Or Incoming - outgoings, without any charge for capital deprecation and wage cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 21 Valle yRoad, via houseprices.io Registered sales: Date Price Nominal change Real change 31 Mar 2004 £290,000 61.1% 53.3% 09 Apr 2002 £180,000 n/a n/a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share Posted July 26, 2018 Its did sell. Eventually. 08/11/2017 £412,500 21 Valley Road, Scarborough, YO11 2LY 5 years to sell. ~150k off asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrink Proof Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 2 hours ago, spyguy said: Its did sell. Eventually. 08/11/2017 £412,500 21 Valley Road, Scarborough, YO11 2LY 5 years to sell. ~150k off asking. On another thread, back in January, I wrote - "As you say, this one failed to sell for £360,000 back in 2013/4 (as did all the others on your list), despite having been reduced from £450,000. It returns to the market for....£360,000." Six months on it's still there. So, if five years is the time it takes to sell an overpriced place in sunny Scarborough, they've still got some waiting to do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share Posted July 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Shrink Proof said: On another thread, back in January, I wrote - "As you say, this one failed to sell for £360,000 back in 2013/4 (as did all the others on your list), despite having been reduced from £450,000. It returns to the market for....£360,000." Six months on it's still there. So, if five years is the time it takes to sell an overpriced place in sunny Scarborough, they've still got some waiting to do... https://houseprices.io/?q=+Vernon+Road%2C+Scarborough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 https://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/news/people/scarborough-s-basil-fawlty-is-back-this-time-on-town-s-buses-1-9788059/amp Bad legs or not, if, as the article implies, he bought loads of io btl flats for slumlording in scabby, hell be working til he drops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrink Proof Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 On 26/07/2018 at 13:05, Shrink Proof said: On another thread, back in January, I wrote - "As you say, this one failed to sell for £360,000 back in 2013/4 (as did all the others on your list), despite having been reduced from £450,000. It returns to the market for....£360,000." Six months on it's still there. So, if five years is the time it takes to sell an overpriced place in sunny Scarborough, they've still got some waiting to do... Now down to offers in excess of £300,000. So far it's dropped by £150,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted May 26, 2019 Author Share Posted May 26, 2019 13 hours ago, Shrink Proof said: Now down to offers in excess of £300,000. So far it's dropped by £150,000. Oh theres some real comedy houses on the market thesedays. More laughs than the has been and never were comics doing summer shows down the Spa https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-75052163.html This one started at 3m. You really needto see where theyve built it, to appreciate the comedy. Its hard to get an idea of what they paid for the house. Its a funny house https://media.rightmove.co.uk/129k/128725/63818038/128725_SCSAL99296704_DOC_04_0000.pdf The EA is sooo exclusive theyve got the post code wrong in the blurb. I guess it was 4-6 14/02/2017 £95,000 6, Park Lodge, Vernon Road, Scarborough, YO11 2PT 19/07/2010 £82,500 1, Park Lodge, Vernon Road, Scarborough, YO11 2PT 28/09/2007 £141,500 7, Park Lodge, Vernon Road, Scarborough, YO11 2PT 11/11/2005 £127,000 7, Park Lodge, Vernon Road, Scarborough, YO11 2PT 29/08/2003 £240,000 4 - 6, Vernon Road, Scarborough, YO11 2NH 28/07/2003 £75,000 7, Park Lodge, Vernon Road, Scarborough, YO11 2PT 06/10/1998 £42,000 1, Park Lodge, Vernon Road, Scarborough, YO11 2PT 24/07/1998 £54,000 2, Park Lodge, Vernon Road, Scarborough, YO11 2PT 12/01/1996 £35,000 5, Park Lodge, Vernon Road, Scarborough, YO11 2PT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrink Proof Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, spyguy said: Oh there's some real comedy houses on the market these days. More laughs than the has been and never were comics doing summer shows down the Spa https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-75052163.html This one started at 3m. You really need to see where they've built it, to appreciate the comedy. I saw that. But if I had £2.5 million to spend (fat chance...) or worse, the £3 million they started off at, I definitely wouldn't be spending it there. A totally impractical Grand Designs parody slotted in between 1950s houses on a street that's a notorious rat run. With the bonus of the A64 at the bottom of the garden, varying from constant roaring traffic to total gridlock in the summer season - at Bank Holidays it's the main access road to Scarborough and is basically a linear car park. No-one in Scarborough has anything like that sort of money and any incomer with the necessary cash will immediately figure out that they can do miles better somewhere else. Awful, awful, awful. Edited May 26, 2019 by Shrink Proof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted May 26, 2019 Author Share Posted May 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Shrink Proof said: I saw that. But if I had £2.5 million to spend (fat chance...) or worse, the £3 million they started off at, I definitely wouldn't be spending it there. A totally impractical Grand Designs parody slotted in between 1950s houses on a street that's a notorious rat run. With the bonus of the A64 at the bottom of the garden, varying from constant roaring traffic to total gridlock in the summer season - at Bank Holidays it's the main access road to Scarborough and is basically a linear car park. No-one in Scarborough has anything like that sort of money and any incomer with the necessary cash will immediately figure out that they can do miles better somewhere else. Awful, awful, awful. Indeed. For 3.5m you could buy all of the following: https://www.onthemarket.com/details/6786537/?utm_source=home_co_uk&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=home_feed https://www.onthemarket.com/details/6740061/?utm_source=home_co_uk&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=home_feed https://www.onthemarket.com/details/5359976/?utm_source=home_co_uk&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=home_feed https://www.guildproperty.co.uk/property-for-sale/burniston/yo13-0hp/1306998 And still have money left to refurb all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrink Proof Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 On 26/05/2019 at 07:29, spyguy said: Its a funny house https://media.rightmove.co.uk/129k/128725/63818038/128725_SCSAL99296704_DOC_04_0000.pdf The EA is sooo exclusive they've got the post code wrong in the blurb. It sold!! It only took them eight years to find a buyer! Oh, and a 35% drop in the original asking price (from £450,000 to £292,000).... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 7 hours ago, Shrink Proof said: It sold!! It only took them eight years to find a buyer! Oh, and a 35% drop in the original asking price (from £450,000 to £292,000).... Lets assume 50% finance, so about 200k. 8 years at 3% (assuming oo mortage rather than commercial loan) 6k x 8 = 48k deserving. Oouch. I bet theyve took a large loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 17 hours ago, Shrink Proof said: It sold!! It only took them eight years to find a buyer! Oh, and a 35% drop in the original asking price (from £450,000 to £292,000).... Or the original owners/developer died and the place was sold in probate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrink Proof Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 (edited) On 26/05/2019 at 07:29, spyguy said: Oh theres some real comedy houses on the market thesedays. More laughs than the has been and never were comics doing summer shows down the Spa https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-75052163.html This one started at 3m. You really needto see where theyve built it, to appreciate the comedy. Well, over 2 years later and they're still trying. After starting at £3,000,000 it went to £2,500,000, then to £2,000,000 for ages, but now... https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/106071209#/ It's re-listed for £2,100,000, presumably raising the price a bit to snare the hordes of wealthy folk who are sure to be flooding into Scarborough to WFH - sat on the patio with a laptop, staring out at the A64 traffic queue and the pylon on the hill... Edited April 29, 2021 by Shrink Proof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted April 30, 2021 Author Share Posted April 30, 2021 17 hours ago, Shrink Proof said: Well, over 2 years later and they're still trying. After starting at £3,000,000 it went to £2,500,000, then to £2,000,000 for ages, but now... https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/106071209#/ It's re-listed for £2,100,000, presumably raising the price a bit to snare the hordes of wealthy folk who are sure to be flooding into Scarborough to WFH - sat on the patio with a laptop, staring out at the A64 traffic queue and the pylon on the hill... I missed the reduction, then the increase. The one of the Scabby News poof peices on FB attracted, err, a lot of responses https://www.facebook.com/thescarboroughnews/posts/the-most-talked-about-house-in-scarborough-its-on-the-market-for-3m-and-took-ove/10156670091233535/ Susan Booth Well it is a lousy location. For £3 million I'd want a large garden and spectacular views or located in a prime location and I don't think Edgehill counts as a prime location. Adam Frakes Think I will have this one and keep the other 2m Helen Elizabeth Ward It’s not very pretty is it no flowers or landscape garden and where are his hanging baskets it will never be a cosy home more like Aldi on the hill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 https://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/news/house-prices-in-scarborough-the-areas-where-average-prices-increased-the-most-in-the-last-year-despite-covid-crisis-3233764 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted May 13, 2021 Author Share Posted May 13, 2021 16 hours ago, Si1 said: https://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/news/house-prices-in-scarborough-the-areas-where-average-prices-increased-the-most-in-the-last-year-despite-covid-crisis-3233764 Yeah, standard bit of YP/Johnson Press as was filla. Whitby up; Scabby down - woohoo! Whitby is suffering from every brassy trollope living in West + South Yokrshire thinking she'll make $$$ from a holiday let. She wont. The FHL changes are long overdue, paused by Covid. The half arsed researched figures just dont show whats the reality - very very low transaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micawber Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 hour ago, spyguy said: Yeah, standard bit of YP/Johnson Press as was filla. Whitby up; Scabby down - woohoo! Whitby is suffering from every brassy trollope living in West + South Yokrshire thinking she'll make $$$ from a holiday let. She wont. The FHL changes are long overdue, paused by Covid. The half arsed researched figures just dont show whats the reality - very very low transaction. Same message all over. From latest RICS survey https://www.rics.org/globalassets/rics-website/media/knowledge/research/market-surveys/final---april_2021_rics_uk_residential_market_survey_tp.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Tangential but grim: https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/huddersfield-mum-abandons-pure-filth-20777101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrink Proof Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 9 hours ago, Si1 said: Tangential but grim: https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/huddersfield-mum-abandons-pure-filth-20777101 Britannia Hotels - a company that have raised customer service to a whole new level of pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted June 12, 2021 Author Share Posted June 12, 2021 11 hours ago, Si1 said: Tangential but grim: https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/huddersfield-mum-abandons-pure-filth-20777101 2 hours ago, Shrink Proof said: Britannia Hotels - a company that have raised customer service to a whole new level of pain. Britannia Hotels is the closest the UK has to Dignitas. Pack nanna off for a 2 week Xmas cheap break and odds on shell be coming home in a box. Where ever thers a large, unprofitable hotel, BH picks it up and runs it for $$$$$$ The Grand in Scabby, despite the fame (biggest hotel in world!) and the patriotic design (V shape for Victoria) is a nightmare. There was a service/store floor, used for storing and whatnot. BH, opened it up, offering windowless - yes, its like staying in an airless broom cupboard - cheap rooms. TripAdv reviews: Excellent732 Very Good1,523 Average1,635 Poor1,365 Terrible3,676 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted June 12, 2021 Author Share Posted June 12, 2021 Bmouth one https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g186262-d192220-Reviews-Roundhouse_Hotel_Bournemouth-Bournemouth_Dorset_England.html This one has a younger, more international clientele than the Grand. Sadly, most of the customer are prozzies and drug dealers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 On 12/06/2021 at 08:51, Shrink Proof said: Britannia Hotels - a company that have raised customer service to a whole new level of pain. Yorkshire Live: We paid £266 to spend one night at Scarborough's 'filthy' Grand Hotel - and witnessed absolute 'carnage'. https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/paid-266-spend-one-night-21185926 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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