spyguy Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-28738208 Brother says sister was not willing to give up her house so a family could live in it. Reading the tone, seems like he thinks his sister was a selfish b1 tch. (Posted from tablet. Have not SUSE's cut+paste between tabs yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulfar Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 The brother should have kept his trap shut. To the lady in question it was the final straw, as detailed in the suicide note. Moving home under any circumstances is stressful, even when your doing it out of choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Mrs Bottrill lived alone in a three-bedroom house and would have received less in housing benefit by being subject to what the government calls the removal of a "spare room subsidy", branded the "bedroom tax" by critics. ... Former postal worker. Apparently retired somehow before the age of 53. Living in a free 3 bed house with a large garden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrappycocco Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Postal worker lol. Have any of the people in this predicament actually paid anything in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Of Highbridge Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Why don't we just build more cheap council homes on the millions of acres surrounding the towns and cities? There really is no need to displace so many people from these cheap, damp crumbling 1970's houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/stephanie-bottrill-who-blamed-the-bedroom-tax-for-her-suicide-had-history-of-depression-inquest-hears-9664921.html A sad story, but no sympathy from the brother. Thinks his sister should have given a family the chance of a three bed and made an unexpected outburst after the inquest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 How many tax payers have committed suicide due to being skint ? For some reason the land owning press men never report on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 How many tax payers have committed suicide due to being skint ? For some reason the land owning press men never report on them. I have some sympathy with the brother's line. The grandmother had taken the obvious option of not working and being supported by the state for twenty years. Eventually you are going to believe in the magic money tree and our culture has tended to give the impression that 53 year old grandmothers are more equal and have special dispensation when it comes to housing over young families in bedsits. Welfare dependence has the added risk of causing mental illness as in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy soy Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 The brother has a point. There are too many old fogeys in social housing that live on their own in a family sized home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renting til I die Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I'm glad the bother spoke out. To me, she seemed a selfish old woman which can be seen from her method of suicide. I feel more sorry for the lorry driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acer Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 The brother is pretty blunt, but he may well be right when he says the bedroom tax thing could have been an excuse, given the state of her mental health. The last line of the piece makes it particularly tragic: "A loophole in the law discovered after she died meant Mrs Bottrill would actually have been exempt from the charge because she had lived in her home continuously on housing benefit since before 1996." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia O'Keeffe Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 The brother is pretty blunt, but he may well be right when he says the bedroom tax thing could have been an excuse, given the state of her mental health. The last line of the piece makes it particularly tragic: "A loophole in the law discovered after she died meant Mrs Bottrill would actually have been exempt from the charge because she had lived in her home continuously on housing benefit since before 1996." Tragic yes in that it highlights that retards will mandate special flowers to mandate winners and losers, perhaps the UK should become a democracy, then at least the population will be able to genuinely blame themselves rather than passing the blame onto 600+ special flowers theyve given special flower status to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Tragic yes in that it highlights that retards will mandate special flowers to mandate winners and losers, perhaps the UK should become a democracy, then at least the population will be able to genuinely blame themselves rather than passing the blame onto 600+ special flowers theyve given special flower status to Special dispensation if you have had your rent paid for eighteen years. The system encourages dependence and the more dependent you get the more equal you get , the more points and points equals prizes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 The brother has a point. There are too many old fogeys in social housing that live on their own in a family sized home. Funny how the 1996 cutoff largely prevents any post boomers from getting the long term free house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 There is a flaw I think with social housing in that you can become institutionalised. It was part of the 'crade to the grave' safety net which got going after WWII. Its quite obvious that people need to be adapt the bright new neo lib future and be herded about like slaves, with precarious lifestyles, and short term accomodation provided by the good grace of their slave owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
“Nasty Piece of work” Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 WTF!! - OLD WOMAN AT 53!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUBanana Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 What a load of BS. If I topped myself because I was taxed into the ground and denied housing by the government the Indy wouldn't be making hay. Sorry, but I have no sympathy whatsoever for the politics of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUBanana Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 He may well be right in the round. But you know what, there's a time and a place and that wasn't it. Really? When you have activists mentioning the case on placards (now that is tacky, making political hay out of this) it seems to be the perfect time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderpup Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 The brother has a point. There are too many old fogeys in social housing that live on their own in a family sized home. There are too many older people in general living in homes that are too big for their needs, not to mention too many second homes that are barely used most of the time. But-as usual- the terms of debate are limited to those in social housing because they are an easy target. Not that your point is wrong, but it's an argument that applies to more than the 'social housing' sector, it applies to the entire housing stock. Why is it that the solution to almost every problem in the uk somehow always consists of targeting the people at the bottom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUBanana Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Why is it that the solution to almost every problem in the uk somehow always consists of targeting the people at the bottom? I think you need to ask why the solution is always more regs. That's really the crux of it. Epic mismanagement of society, by left and right, for literally decades now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 There are too many older people in general living in homes that are too big for their needs, not to mention too many second homes that are barely used most of the time. But-as usual- the terms of debate are limited to those in social housing because they are an easy target. Not that your point is wrong, but it's an argument that applies to more than the 'social housing' sector, it applies to the entire housing stock. Why is it that the solution to almost every problem in the uk somehow always consists of targeting the people at the bottom? Indeed Bedroom tax should apply in one way or another to all housing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Sutton Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 She'd been kept in a home for over twenty years at the tax-payers' expense. No mention of any thanks for that - just a huge sense of entitlement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Somewhere they said she had been depressed and n the sick since 1993. It's not bedroom tax that got her, but the appalling notion of can be depressed for so long and get paid for it. Her doctors are responsible for not getting her better treatment. Her family is responsibe for not chasing doctors t get her better. She is responsible for taking her own life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy soy Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Funny how the 1996 cutoff largely prevents any post boomers from getting the long term free houseI noticed that too. It never ends with the special treatment for the boomers!Wouldn't the boomers be the perfect targets for the bedroom tax anyway? They would be most likely to have had kids that have flown the nest leaving them in under occupied family sized homes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 WTF!! - OLD WOMAN AT 53!!! She quite possibly behaved like an old lady......I'm 50 btw. That is what welfare dependence does to you, the older and more vulnerable you appear to be, the more prizes are on offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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