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Universal Credit New Thread.complete Disaster.

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1 hour ago, Ash4781 said:

Wow just reading upthread it’s in mortgages so leveraged into the system as well as the demand, and individuals used to a certain lifestyle . I’m unsure how they could unwind this - I thought maybe they could really raise up the personal tax allowance but presumably then they’d have to raise other taxes and or tax bands. 

I can’t see inflation helping either (without the wage inflation). 

Maybe UC /tax credits in the longer term planning evolves into some kind of universal income system?

(Just thinking out aload what happens to welfare in a recession)

Theres people on tax credits with a handful of BTL. That ends dead when s24 comes in.

Just think thru the insanity of yhat for a moment - people whove borrowed getting on for 1m claiming benefits.

Read it again, just so you get it.

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How on earth is the Government going to keep up the levels of spending on benefits after Brexit? Paying out hundreds of pounds every week in London alone in LHA for individual households to live in property they can't afford (which ultimately goes to the landlord). Either benefit levels drop or those working have to pay even more tax which seems ridiculous.

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13 hours ago, spyguy said:

Yeah.

'Go, have a nibble of his thigh. Its no good to him now...'

Working age people not working should be poor. Theyd be p1ss poor in any other developed country. In the 3rd world they be on the streets.

Dont p1ss around with th1s ****** stories. Yes, dss fux up, they are useless. They also have to deal with 30% of working age families living off benefits.

We have a massive problem in this country with this.There are odd cases where people are left with nothing.There is also a lot of real poverty among unemployed or under employed single people.The welfare system fails them.No doubt about that.However there are huge numbers of people getting massive amounts of free money.

A couple both on ESA and linked benefits get £570 a week in hand between them BEFORE housing benefit.Think about that.In my home town if you have a child with some made up ADHD or something and are on tax credits and get the DLA you get more than the best private sector job pays in the town.There are hundreds of these.When i was on the council i saw the figures for the town.Labour were wanting them to claim how poor the town was etc.59% of working age people were getting tax credits,DLA etc.44% of the houses were getting over £10k a year in benefits,only 12% of the houses were paying in more than they got out.

I dont think people understand just how insane it all is.Brown created a disaster.Out of my friends from school.The ones with grandchildren now are the ones whos daughters/sons etc are all on tax credits,not working or working 16 hours.The ones who have working children mostly dont have grandchildren.Darwin would of loved it.Reform will only come once the country is bankrupted through inflation at the end of the next cycle.Until then nothing will change.Its too far gone.

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15 hours ago, spyguy said:

Theres people on tax credits with a handful of BTL. That ends dead when s24 comes in.

Just think thru the insanity of yhat for a moment - people whove borrowed getting on for 1m claiming benefits.

Read it again, just so you get it.

Tax credits.... benefits by any other name.  That Gordon Brown, he was both a cunning fox and an imbecile. 

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16 minutes ago, Fletcher said:

Tax credits.... benefits by any other name.  That Gordon Brown, he was both a cunning fox and an imbecile. 

No. Just an imbecile and imbecile.

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16 hours ago, spyguy said:

Yeah.

'Go, have a nibble of his thigh. Its no good to him now...'

Working age people not working should be poor. Theyd be p1ss poor in any other developed country. In the 3rd world they be on the streets.

Dear Mr. Spyguy

We at Super Films Ltd are casting now for our next project which is a remake of A Christmas Carol. 

We have a part as one of the lead characters which we think would be ideal for you! Please get in touch at your convenience.

Edited by Funn3r
failed to spell xmas correctly

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8 minutes ago, Funn3r said:

Dear Mr. Spyguy

We at Super Films Ltd are casting now for our next project which is a remake of A Christmas Carol. 

We have a part as one of the lead characters which we think would be ideal for you! Please get in touch at your convenience.

In which case Id recommend you contact Chardonney Tenkids for the part of Scrooge and ask her to distribute a bit of her 60k equivalent income to the poor, single, childless 40h working person playing Tiny Tim.

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It`s the honest that get screwed mostly and I use the word honest loosely.

People who try to do the  right thing. Single moms with one child working school hours and trying to keep things together, while clothing and feeding the kid, are some who can struggle..There are always players such as the examples DB alludes to. Claiming disability along with ADD etc, HB, and all those together. I don`t sweat over those people because I don`t want them taking up space in my head. It is totally wrong, I know, and maybe in their lifetime they will ultimately suffer, because they have no independant, and self supporting mind frame.

Maybe their kids will suffer, being brought up in that sort of household where its the government who always provides. ( I know the tax payers) Maybe they will break loose from that mindset when they grow up, who knows.

When I see the vitriol focussed on some sections though, it just makes me wonder that maybe these attacks are misplaced and should be on the system and people like messrs Gordon Brown et al, who are the only culprits. And at the same time it gives me some relief that it was only Gordon Brown who designed the WTC system (even if it is stuffed) and not those who hate and point fingers while spouting vitriol.

You have followers in any society then the followers need leaders...if the followers are hand fed they will eat for sure.

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Isn't it harder to get DLA for kids these days (or PIP/ESA for adults)? Thought the tests normally mean most people get zero points?

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32 minutes ago, fru-gal said:

Isn't it harder to get DLA for kids these days (or PIP/ESA for adults)? Thought the tests normally mean most people get zero points?

Yes. Also results in rejection for eg. statemented children with genetic disorders such as chromosome duplication and quite severe mental and physical disabilities. But they can manage a short period of answering tick-box questions on self-care and reading as an 8 year might do, despite being 16.

Not my child, but our society has a diseased sense of priorities.

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9 hours ago, spyguy said:

In which case Id recommend you contact Chardonney Tenkids for the part of Scrooge and ask her to distribute a bit of her 60k equivalent income to the poor, single, childless 40h working person playing Tiny Tim.

Excellent response to a ludicrous and facile accusation.

Edited by mrtickle

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9 hours ago, mrtickle said:

Excellent response to a ludicrous and facile accusation.

'err boy, Wazza, here's £50, go and buy the biggest  fexxing chicken bucket from KFC ....'

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17 hours ago, fru-gal said:

Isn't it harder to get DLA for kids these days (or PIP/ESA for adults)? Thought the tests normally mean most people get zero points?

Its harder to get DLA mobility,its just as easy as ever to get care.If you get the doc to sign as ADHD or some other behaviour name you will get it.Iv known plenty of people get 0 points and then go to appeal and get it for life (they usually define that as 10 years before you need to apply again).

I know a woman 58 who is probably the fittest person i know of that age who has got carers allowance for 20 years.She had a bad back genuine when she got it,got better,but then claimed depression.She is out every day with her sisters,pub lunches etc.Zero wrong with her.At the same time other people who arent very well are working to pay for it for her.The system is a disaster.In the North east now your lifestyle doesnt depend on what job you can get (apart from for a very small minority) it depends on what benefits you can scam.Tax credits are very generous,add in DLA for a child that then allows carers and also doubled tax credits and its like landing a £30k a year job.

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On 08/12/2017 at 9:09 AM, durhamborn said:

Its harder to get DLA mobility,its just as easy as ever to get care.If you get the doc to sign as ADHD or some other behaviour name you will get it.Iv known plenty of people get 0 points and then go to appeal and get it for life (they usually define that as 10 years before you need to apply again).

I know a woman 58 who is probably the fittest person i know of that age who has got carers allowance for 20 years.She had a bad back genuine when she got it,got better,but then claimed depression.She is out every day with her sisters,pub lunches etc.Zero wrong with her.At the same time other people who arent very well are working to pay for it for her.The system is a disaster.In the North east now your lifestyle doesnt depend on what job you can get (apart from for a very small minority) it depends on what benefits you can scam.Tax credits are very generous,add in DLA for a child that then allows carers and also doubled tax credits and its like landing a £30k a year job.

Grass the f**ker up then.

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Tax credits are also another subsidy to corporate UK.  They should be paying real wages and people should be working full time.

Such subsidised labour also reduces investment in equipment (the car wash effect) which contributes to low productivity.

Went to a couple of economic seminars recently.  It's benefits or pension payments that are driving our structural deficit.  Nothing else is anywhere near as big.

Benefits and pension payments roughly equal in size.  Tax credits are a major part of the benefits bill.  The numbers are screamingly obvious - we will never reduce the deficit without reducing benefits like tax credits.

Or, to sum it another way, the UK is borrowing to pay tax credits.  That's the enormity of the problem in addition to the other preverseness mentioned in this thread.

I saw IDC and co differently after being shown the data.

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