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Government To Spy On Computers Of The Jobless

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9757895/Government-to-spy-on-computers-of-the-jobless.html

Jobseekers will be offered the chance to look for work through the new Universal Jobmatch website, which automatically pairs them up with opportunities that suit their skills after scanning their CVs.

It will also allow employers to search for new workers among the unemployed and send messages inviting them to interviews.

However, their activities may also be tracked using devices known as "cookies", so their Job Centre advisers know how many searches they have been doing and whether they are turning down viable opportunities.

Iain Duncan-Smith, the Work and Pensions Secretary, said the scheme would "revolutionise" the process of looking for work.

He said anyone without a job after signing up to the scheme would be lacking "imagination".

The police state takes another step forward. As TV's are now having cameras installed will the dole office soon demand they watch you through daylight hours to make sure you aren't just sat in front of the TV.

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The police state takes another step forward. As TV's are now having cameras installed will the dole office soon demand they watch you through daylight hours to make sure you aren't just sat in front of the TV.

I see George Orwell was only 28 years out. dry.gif

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Cookies. Wow - that's amazing! ;)

No, wait - what's this - oh yes, the EU have just spent a fortune allowing us to opt out of cookies!

The tracking element of the programme will not be compulsory as monitoring people's behaviour online without their consent would not be allowed under EU law.

:lol:

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The police state takes another step forward. As TV's are now having cameras installed will the dole office soon demand they watch you through daylight hours to make sure you aren't just sat in front of the TV.

I don't see how this is any different than a private employer wanting to know what you are up to on company time.

It's not spying, that's silly emotive language.

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Cookies. Wow - that's amazing! ;)

No, wait - what's this - oh yes, the EU have just spent a fortune allowing us to opt out of cookies!

:lol:

Luckily not a huge waste of money or resources... I imagine the meetings where a hive of activity...

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not sure you can get much info in a cookie

about 4000 bytes max

and this

There is a lot of fear on the Internet that cookies will damage your hard drive, copy your data or reveal your secret super hero identity. But this is not true. cookies are not dangerous. According to the Computer Incident Advisory Capability (CIAC)

"[the] vulnerability of systems to damage or snooping by using web browser cookies is essentially nonexistent."

In fact, the vulnerability is more in what information you give to the website, than what they can take. If you fill out a form on a website, and give them your name, address, and phone number, they could conceivably store that information in a cookie to retrieve the next time you came to that site. But this is very unlikely. They are more likely to give you a unique ID that is stored in a cookie, and relate that to a database entry with your name, address, and phone number.

In this case, the cookie isn't the problem, it's that you gave information to that website.

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Cookies. Wow - that's amazing! ;)

No, wait - what's this - oh yes, the EU have just spent a fortune allowing us to opt out of cookies!

:lol:

That law is such a waste of time.

The browsers came with a notice about cookies out of the box, yet most just say 'yeah, whatever'. Those who don't, can choose to keep the alerts.

So what was the point in the law, all the money which went into it, all the money to change the sites etc? What has it achieved - sweet FA, as far as I can see.

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The police state takes another step forward. As TV's are now having cameras installed will the dole office soon demand they watch you through daylight hours to make sure you aren't just sat in front of the TV.

7 Million people cant read or write - let alone use a computer

Thats why they have "Johnny" and "Wee-man" repeated at them in a constant 'loop' (Circle/Ring smegol) on Sky TV.

'Circus' stars for the bovine masses - the dervish devilish provide circuses

Fekk knows how they afford it on the dole.

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That law is such a waste of time.

The browsers came with a notice about cookies out of the box, yet most just say 'yeah, whatever'. Those who don't, can choose to keep the alerts.

So what was the point in the law, all the money which went into it, all the money to change the sites etc? What has it achieved - sweet FA, as far as I can see.

because it's the E.U :)

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not sure you can get much info in a cookie

about 4000 bytes max

and this

There is a lot of fear on the Internet that cookies will damage your hard drive, copy your data or reveal your secret super hero identity. But this is not true. cookies are not dangerous. According to the Computer Incident Advisory Capability (CIAC)

"[the] vulnerability of systems to damage or snooping by using web browser cookies is essentially nonexistent."

In fact, the vulnerability is more in what information you give to the website, than what they can take. If you fill out a form on a website, and give them your name, address, and phone number, they could conceivably store that information in a cookie to retrieve the next time you came to that site. But this is very unlikely. They are more likely to give you a unique ID that is stored in a cookie, and relate that to a database entry with your name, address, and phone number.

In this case, the cookie isn't the problem, it's that you gave information to that website.

The cookie isn't where the data is stored. The cookie is just used to anchor to track what a user is doing on a site. The actual logging is done invisibly on the server side.

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Luckily not a huge waste of money or resources... I imagine the meetings where a hive of activity...

I hope that as many companies as possible boycott it. It's a complete waste of time.

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not sure you can get much info in a cookie

about 4000 bytes max

Duh, the cookies don't contain the information, they only contain a unique ID to identify you and therefore to track your activity on the web site! The tracking is done on the server, not on your PC.

:rolleyes:

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The cookie isn't where the data is stored. The cookie is just used to anchor to track what a user is doing on a site. The actual logging is done invisibly on the server side.

thats what the quote said.

to track someone, youd have to be able to read all the cookies the computer had generated, or place some spyware on it.

I think Google does something like this to place ads on your desktop related to your browsing.

I get a lot of ads from religious websites of course.

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Duh, the cookies don't contain the information, they only contain a unique ID to identify you and therefore to track your activity on the web site! The tracking is done on the server, not on your PC.

:rolleyes:

yes...and...how does that lead to a website visit history...the server would need to know where you visited...and cookies wont tell you that...well they could,,,up to 4000 bytes worth.

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yes...and...how does that lead to a website visit history...the server would need to know where you visited...and cookies wont tell you that...well they could,,,up to 4000 bytes worth.

The cookie will merely allow them to know it was Fred Bloggs searching. The actual data will be in a database behind the website recording we offered this he said no, this said no .....

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The cookie will merely allow them to know it was Fred Bloggs searching. The actual data will be in a database behind the website recording we offered this he said no, this said no .....

thats right, so how does a government spy search your PC to see what websites you visited...using a cookie?

I think this is just more government nonsense about cookies.

EDIT

I see the article is about if YOU visit the Government Website, they give you a cookie and track what you do on THAT website.

hardly spying...is it...

and of course, you apply for the jobs, the database will see the applications, viewable by user, date, time and location...nothing to do with the cookie then...its the on line form YOU fill in.

tossers.

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thats what the quote said.

to track someone, youd have to be able to read all the cookies the computer had generated, or place some spyware on it.

I think Google does something like this to place ads on your desktop related to your browsing.

I get a lot of ads from religious websites of course.

One website cannot view another websites cookies... it's a pretty fundamental rule... as you say, you'de need some software on the PC.

While you're on the job centre web site, they can just log which jobs you've seen listed, which ones you've viewed and which ones you apply for. I can assure this isn't hard and most big independant job web sites out there already do this.

It's useful to do as when you are looking for staff, you can contact people who have been looking at the type of job you are looking to fill.

yes...and...how does that lead to a website visit history...the server would need to know where you visited...and cookies wont tell you that...well they could,,,up to 4000 bytes worth.
The cookie will merely allow them to know it was Fred Bloggs searching. The actual data will be in a database behind the website recording we offered this he said no, this said no .....
thats right, so how does a government spy search your PC to see what websites you visited...using a cookie?

Technically cookies CAN hold more than just your session reference... what you refer to as "who is visiting". It's just incredibly bad practice to do this. However you may wish to preserve some details between sessions for people who are not "registered users", such as shopping baskets.

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tI see the article is about if YOU visit the Government Website, they give you a cookie and track what you do on THAT website.

hardly spying...is it...

exactly... just what every other decent website does to try and track what it's customers do.

The truly stunning bit about it is that this is somehow news, and hasn't been done already.

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thats what the quote said.

to track someone, youd have to be able to read all the cookies the computer had generated, or place some spyware on it.

I think Google does something like this to place ads on your desktop related to your browsing.

I get a lot of ads from religious websites of course.

Sure, but a job site could see what your searches were and when, if they asked you to log in. I assume that is what the OP is really about?

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Sure, but a job site could see what your searches were and when, if they asked you to log in. I assume that is what the OP is really about?

yeah but come on...is this really spying on jobseekers?...they filled in the forms, the cookie makes refilling a synch.

what really has the cookie to do with the spying and subsequent penalties a job turner downer will suffer?

Its just terrible reporting...or propaganda more likely to justify billions spent on stupid cookie legislation...which 99% of websites ignore...I mean, how many porn sites are there that have the inane cookie policy pop up? then of course, the fact you have disallowed or allowed cookies creates another cookie to say you dont want cookies or the stupid pop up again.

I of course, have no idea.

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Okay... just to deal with the cookies... as has already been said, the cookie doesn't store info, particularly, it just uniquely identifies you so that the web server knows who is doing the searches and so on... but the web server can (and usually does) store all of that information and builds a profile of your activity. Google probably know more about you than your wife/husband does.

On the matter of the lazy and feckless unemployed....

Well, there are currently nine million people of working age who are "economically inactive" about two and a half million of whom are considered to be "unemployed" for the governments statistical reporting purposes.

There are currently a little under half a million vacancies in the labour market.

Do the maths... it's not hard to figure out!

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This web service is presumably intended to fulfill the role currently/previously performed by job centres.

Has anyone ever got a half-decent job via a job centre? Serious question.

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Okay... just to deal with the cookies... as has already been said, the cookie doesn't store info, particularly, it just uniquely identifies you so that the web server knows who is doing the searches and so on... but the web server can (and usually does) store all of that information and builds a profile of your activity. Google probably know more about you than your wife/husband does.

On the matter of the lazy and feckless unemployed....

Well, there are currently nine million people of working age who are "economically inactive" about two and a half million of whom are considered to be "unemployed" for the governments statistical reporting purposes.

There are currently a little under half a million vacancies in the labour market.

Do the maths... it's not hard to figure out!

Let me see now... nine million, add two and half million, subtract half a million jobs...

Is the answer 11 million feckless lazy bastards!?

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One website cannot view another websites cookies... it's a pretty fundamental rule... as you say, you'de need some software on the PC.

While you're on the job centre web site, they can just log which jobs you've seen listed, which ones you've viewed and which ones you apply for. I can assure this isn't hard and most big independant job web sites out there already do this.

It's useful to do as when you are looking for staff, you can contact people who have been looking at the type of job you are looking to fill.

Technically cookies CAN hold more than just your session reference... what you refer to as "who is visiting". It's just incredibly bad practice to do this. However you may wish to preserve some details between sessions for people who are not "registered users", such as shopping baskets.

Get one of the 'do not track' extensions for your browser and examine all the stuff it blocks when you go to various websites. It will open your eyes. Facebook, Google and a plethora of other organisations use cookies to track you across multiple websites - if said website supports them.

In the case of FB and Google, they can put your real name to your usage patterns. The other companies don't necessarily know who you really are but they do know which sites you are visiting.

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