bankfeeder Posted March 4, 2012 Author Share Posted March 4, 2012 Connection between music and maths is plain. No idea why this upsets you. The connection doesn't. The ******** people decorate it with is worth a jibe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bankfeeder Posted March 4, 2012 Author Share Posted March 4, 2012 Making a knee jerk, glib link between modern teaching methods and maths is about as far as most of the conservative people go. They like to associate themselves with sciencey things because their upbringing taught them that the arts were dirty and posh things like science inflate their egos. Show them a Seurat and they glaze over. Good post demonstrating the asymmetric nature of the argument! It seems progressive, detached and unreal when turned on its head. Do you know anybody who spurned art in favour of science because science is posher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arbitrage Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I think you're better off asking how many people understand: 1. Compound 2. Interest 3. Compound interest 4. Loan 5. Compound interest on a loan. Compound Interest - are they a local band? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieboy Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Good post demonstrating the asymmetric nature of the argument! It seems progressive, detached and unreal when turned on its head. Do you know anybody who spurned art in favour of science because science is posher? Utterly symmetric. Each statement made as much sense as the other, that is to say sod all. At first I thought I'd like to hear, first, your long list of those who spurned science in favour or art. Then I realised what a complete waste of both our times that would be, what with the discussion being pointless and all. Anyone who has taught either music or science or, preferably, both understands the interaction. I've used the one to teach the other and vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Democorruptcy Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Errr, there is. It's called a Key Facts document. Yes but that's at an advanced stage. You can see the total repayment in car adverts before you go look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Perhaps the best example of 'Poor Numeracy 'blights The Economy And Ruins Lives' John earns £400 a week but spends £600 a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagarde's Drift Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Perhaps the best example of 'Poor Numeracy 'blights The Economy And Ruins Lives' John earns £400 a week but spends £600 a week. But his house doubles in value every 7 years so he's ok! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admann Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I actually think the average level of mathematical ability has been rising for several decades, but the syllabus has been dumbed down to make this possible. The result is that almost no-one leaving the education system has a level of maths suitable to be a scientist or engineer anymore and this is hurting the indigenous population as UK employers just recruit people who were educated to a sufficient standard overseas. Visit any university engineering department or high end engineering firm - there are very few UK nationals...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erat_forte Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I actually think the average level of mathematical ability has been rising for several decades, but the syllabus has been dumbed down to make this possible. The result is that almost no-one leaving the education system has a level of maths suitable to be a scientist or engineer anymore and this is hurting the indigenous population as UK employers just recruit people who were educated to a sufficient standard overseas. Visit any university engineering department or high end engineering firm - there are very few UK nationals...... Not a recent thing, I did double maths at state school for A-level in the 80s, i.e. one A level in pure maths (algebra) and one in Applied maths (mechanics). Got grade A in both. Went up to University (a science) and found that I was in no way prepared for 1st year, all the private school pupils had done loads of maths stuff I had never even heard of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Bear Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 When decimal currency was introduced it was said by a lot of those who were supposed to know that children would end up far better at maths, because they wouldn't have to waste so much time on complicated money sums with £, S and D. Let alone all that mental arithmetic with qs. like two dozen items at fourpence three-farthings. Er... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game_Over Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Not a recent thing, I did double maths at state school for A-level in the 80s, i.e. one A level in pure maths (algebra) and one in Applied maths (mechanics). Got grade A in both. Went up to University (a science) and found that I was in no way prepared for 1st year, all the private school pupils had done loads of maths stuff I had never even heard of. My son just did A levels including Maths at a state A level college and is now doing Engineering at a Russell group Uni. He is virtually the only state educated kid there And he is head and shoulders above the privately educated kids who are now struggling after being spoon fed and nannied through their A levels. How times change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awaytogo Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) My son just did A levels including Maths at a state A level college and is now doing Engineering at a Russell group Uni. He is virtually the only state educated kid there And he is head and shoulders above the privately educated kids who are now struggling after being spoon fed and nannied through their A levels. How times change I wish him all the best Game Over and am pleased is is doing a worthwhile course, not something now one wants. Edited March 5, 2012 by awaytogo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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