Guest_FaFa!_* Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 good points, but the young people are just not progressing with their current teaching..... Ill ask her to check it out....not sure how you can give adequate explanations of grammar without being fluent in the foreign language. Sorry I don't understand. If your relative is teaching TEFL that means they are English and are teaching English to foreigners, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AThirdWay Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Still here King Caute-ing! Who's that then? I take it you mean Canute, or perhaps more apt in this case, "C n u t the Great". These sort of threads are becoming very boring. "I hate this country, my life is crap"..... Well do something about it instead of bitching on a forum! If you don't like your life, change it! You have a lot to be thankful for, you are just to self-centred to know it. For the sake of argument I'll assume you haven't suffered any personal tragedy, you've had one son who's reached the age of 19. Have you any idea how lucky you are to be in that position? Edited February 27, 2012 by AThirdWay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinAndPlatonic Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I love it when the posters who moan about immigrants all the time also talk about their plans to emigrate..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone baby gone Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Why not learn Gibberish instead? They may stick you in an insane asylum. Free housing costs, free meals, etc and there are probably a lot of fairly sane people to live with in there, compared to what you get on the outside these days. If you speak fluent Gibberish you can become either an economic commentator, or if you are very lucky, a member of parliament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Sorry I don't understand. If your relative is teaching TEFL that means they are English and are teaching English to foreigners, no? she is English, Ive never heard of TEFL before this morning and looked them up on the web, courtesy of the above poster's suggestion to teach. She works abroad and parents there have approached her to teach their kids, as they are having trouble with the lessons in their schools. So, without trying, she is working this as well as her other work. Edited February 27, 2012 by Bloo Loo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_FaFa!_* Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 she is English, Ive never heard of TEFL before this morning and looked them up on the web, courtesy of the above poster's suggestion to teach. She works abroad and parents there have approached her to teach their kids, as they are having trouble with the lessons in their schools. So, without trying, she is working this as well as her other work. Oh I see. You mean you don't understand how I could explain the present perfect to a Chinese person without speaking to them in Mandarin. Is that what you are getting at? There are techniques, mainly involving diagrams. It is entirely possible to teach someone English from scratch only speaking to them in English. I have done it myself. You do need to have a student with the patience of Job however and need to plan your lessons extremely well to stop them getting bored. I'd strongly recommend your relative gets some qualifications, just out of respect for her students and a bit of peace of mind. Here are some sites to kick off with: http://www.tefl.com/ http://www.eslcafe.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Anyone who is 19 in this country and in good health and moaning about opportunities needs a slap in the chops imo - they can all - very easily - go and travel and work anywhere is europe or NZ OZ or canada. They will have a brilliant time - see the world - make lots of friends and probably have doors opened for future work or life changes. Yet most sit on FB all day telling everyone how bored they are and how there 'nothing to do' - ****** em and their sad boring lives - they deserve it imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkin Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Anyone who is 19 in this country and in good health and moaning about opportunities needs a slap in the chops imo - they can all - very easily - go and travel and work anywhere is europe or NZ OZ or canada. They will have a brilliant time - see the world - make lots of friends and probably have doors opened for future work or life changes. Yet most sit on FB all day telling everyone how bored they are and how there 'nothing to do' - ****** em and their sad boring lives - they deserve it imo My brother from the age 17-20 expected the world to look after him, he sat round playing Call of Duty and online poker all night, slept all day, couldn't afford to go out much then last year he had his lightbulb moment. He somehow used his average A-levels and a little bit of pestering and landed a trainee job on a cruise ship looking after the IT systems. He's now been to all of the americas from Alaska to Antartica, what a transformation in the past 9 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I love it when the posters who moan about immigrants all the time also talk about their plans to emigrate..... Swapping engineers, IT professionals, lawyers, bankers etc for carwash attendants and benefits claimants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_FaFa!_* Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I love it when the posters who moan about immigrants all the time also talk about their plans to emigrate..... I disliked the level of immigration into the UK and it was a motive for leaving. I don't see how there is a contradiction between not liking excessively lack immigration and wanting to leave. I am prefectly happy to live in a country which bases its immigration policy as genuinely addressing skill gaps and feels embarrassed if its society is unable to induce the locals to do the work. I live in a country with very tight immigration rules (I am finger printed every time I enter the country, I have an ID card I must have on me at all times) and I have no objection to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_FaFa!_* Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Spanish or Chinese. No point learning anything else. Disagree. Learn a language you are interested in otherwise you will suck at it. English is the international language, you'd learn a language to specialise in a given country. You'd be far better off with an excellent command of language whose country and culture you are interested in than a shaky grasp of a place that leaves you cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Loblaw Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Swapping engineers, IT professionals, lawyers, bankers etc for carwash attendants and benefits claimants. +250,000 Edited February 27, 2012 by Bob Loblaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wahoo Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Tell your son to start learning a foreign language and maybe consider doing a year in Europe doing TEFL or similar. My kids will both be doing private French lessons as soon as they hit Primary school. This has to be one of the most sensible posts ever -excellent advice. Get learning a foreign language and get the ****** out of this place. I'm off to Spain - taught myself Spanish - and gonna’ chill out in the warmsun, not read any papers and drink until dead. (The alternative of dribbling in an old folks home and being bullied by lowpaid ‘don’t give a shite’ can’t speak English care workers, just ain’t gonnahappen) This country has been degraded beyond belief since WW2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnLennon Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 If we could deport all the scroungers, scummers and labour voters this place would be a paradise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopGun Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 If we could deport all the scroungers, scummers and labour voters this place would be a paradise. They'd be no one left..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrink Proof Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Why not learn Gibberish instead? Good idea, a highly-paid job as a management consultant could be yours for the asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Eagle Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I love it when the posters who moan about immigrants all the time also talk about their plans to emigrate..... LOL, my thoughts exactly... and most of them end up back in the UK within a year or two since they weren't able to adapt to a foreign country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Eagle Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I'm off to Spain - taught myself Spanish - and gonna’ chill out in the warmsun, not read any papers and drink until dead. Do you have a trust fund? Spain has 20% unemployment, forget about earning an income there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Malkin - totally agree it totally changes your outlook on life and makes you want to do everything you can before you die - best way to live imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahoo Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 LOL, my thoughts exactly... and most of them end up back in the UK within a year or two since they weren't able to adapt to a foreign country. Better to have tried and failed than to die with regrets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahoo Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Do you have a trust fund? Spain has 20% unemployment, forget about earning an income there. Yes - I will be buying with cash and have income without the need to work. But - I'm still full of admiration for others who have a go and succeed or not. Having a go is the important bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trampa501 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Do you have a trust fund? Spain has 20% unemployment, forget about earning an income there. On the contrary, Madrid is a very good place to earn money as a TEFL teacher (it may be more difficult admittedly on the coast where holidaymakers go) AViewOfMadrid I was attending a meeting with other teachers recently. All of them were reporting, like me, if they wanted it, an increase in workload. We may well be in a recession, but language teaching seems to be hardly affected. It's not just English. French and German are also, it seems, needed by Spanish businessmen and women. Not all companies have been affected by the crisis. They might not be enjoying the boom times of recent years, and this is probably, and not too late, making them reflect on their marketing strategies. The companies I teach at are telling me something very interesting: it is not a priority for their employees to pass an exam in English. They want their employees to close the deal, sell, get the contract signed, advertise and network – and whether this is done grammatically or not is not important, so long as communication is established. I was there a couple of months back, and all the expats I knew from a few years back, were busy and doing quite well thank you (teachers, web designers, bar owners, businesspeople). Don't believe all you read in the DM. If you're a decent web developer there are plenty of Spanish startup companies that are hiring too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazap Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Good luck to anyone heading out to broaden their horizons. But life is tough where ever you live and I suspect that the people who successfully emigrate aren't the kind of people who struggle to get themselves going here in the UK. I think some are just born to see the worst of life, no matter where they live. As someone who is married to a multi linguist (English, Spanish, Italian, French and, don't laugh, Welsh) I'm glad that my son is being brought up bi-lingual (not Welsh !). However I see plenty of opportunities here. It's a shame OP didn't elaborate further on why he felt things were broken, so it's hard to comment. But as a recent new parent I found the service provided by the NHS fantastic. I recently had a problem myself, got seen by a world leading specialist and had access to state of the art tests that are only available to a handful of developed countries. That's not so bad is it? Sure, the papers pick up on the failures but we are all bright enough to know that any organisation that size is not going to be perfect. Google up any transparent national healthcare service and you'll find scandals. I'm from a family of teachers (im not one) and could rant about education but I feel it would be pointless, suffice to say that whilst improvements can always be made the system isn't broken. Anyone who can be bothered to look will see hard working teachers and kids, but it seems this site is slowly being overrun by daily mail readers. God help us all! Politics is broken. Well, fair point. I'm pretty disillusioned. But I'm curious to know who's government inspires you? Name a country and I'll find you someone who will rant endlessly about their governments failings. The UK isn't the worst place in the world, and actually we are among the richest people in the planet - scary huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24gray24 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 actually we are among the richest people in the planet - scary huh? Would that measuring system count the polynesians, catching fish for dinner and eating it with coconut, as very poor? Or the eskimo, living like his ancestors, except with the security of some modern technology, hunting and fishing? IMO there's something fishy about telling people they're rich, when the daily experience of a trip to the petrol station or supermarket tells them they can hardly afford to pay their bills AND they're spending all their time doing unpleasant things in order to pay those cartels. At some point, it's more rational to say: "actually, I'm poor. I'm working for nothing." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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