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Britain's 'mickey Mouse' Border Controls Let 500,000 Into The Country Without Any Checks For Five Years

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All those Eurodisneyers unchecked....god, we were at soooooo much risk.

I suggest cavity searches for everyone laeving and entering these islands...I mean, how else are we going to attract top [s]terrorists[/s] bankers like Strauss kahn?

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The UK Border agency is doing its job fine. Its designed to let anyone and anything in, and thats still government policy regardless of what they say. The government never changed in 2010, we just got a change of actors. Edited by "Steed"

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[quote name='JustYield' timestamp='1329821263' post='3267067']
What's the process for those who arrive illegally to subsequently settle in the UK?
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first they spend a week at Eurodisney, to get acclimatised to our economics system, then they arrive in St Pancreas and register at the nearest Job centre plus for coffee and biscuits and schedule of mansion viewings and how to arrange tickets for the extended family to arrive.

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[quote name='thecrashingisles' timestamp='1329821752' post='3267075']
At least we can be sure that Micky Mouse didn't get in.
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Of course not, he has a full time job and pays tax.

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Having just got back from Paris last Friday, it would appear that the system isn't even designed to enable thorough checking.

By which I mean that the checks were fairly thorough when we went through, but the facilities were inadequate for the volume of travellers. Our train was about 20 mins late leaving GdN and it's hard to imagine how they can ever leave on time when full checks are carried out.

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[quote name='Bloo Loo' timestamp='1329821689' post='3267074']
first they spend a week at Eurodisney, to get acclimatised to our economics system, then they arrive in St Pancreas and register at the nearest Job centre plus for coffee and biscuits and schedule of mansion viewings and how to arrange tickets for the extended family to arrive.
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You'd make a great hack at the Daily Mail.

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How many people did these 500,000 daily mail 'terrorists' kill?

#justsaying

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[quote name='Bloo Loo' timestamp='1329821689' post='3267074']
first they spend a week at Eurodisney, to get acclimatised to our economics system, then they arrive in St Pancreas and register at the nearest Job centre plus for coffee and biscuits and schedule of mansion viewings and how to arrange tickets for the extended family to arrive.
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:lol:

But seriously, once here (in the UK) how can they stay indefinitely? I can't imagine life under constant threat of deportation, so I was wondering how common it really is.

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[quote name='Red Knight' timestamp='1329823026' post='3267089']
How many people did these 500,000 daily mail 'terrorists' kill?

#justsaying
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Yeah, only a tiny minority amongst half a million people will have criminal tendencies, and the majority of UK "terrorists" so-far seem to be either angry unemployed loud mouths (like a lot of people here :lol: ) or inept would be mass killers with poor social skills. You're more likely to be run over by a bus than blown up in one.

But the hypocritical French authorities, "herding" their immigrants they can't handle towards Dover, have a lot to answer for. <_<

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[quote name='JustYield' timestamp='1329823197' post='3267091']
:lol:

But seriously, once here (in the UK) how can they stay indefinitely? I can't imagine life under constant threat of deportation, so I was wondering how common it really is.
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Very common. Too many to deport, the press would jump up and down about human rights and our courts would clog up if you tried. Instead there is a unannounced amnesty, stay here long enough, and you get unlimited leave to remain.

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The problem is, the borders cannot be defended.

Instead we need a citizens id database. You set it up, then add children at birth if parents are UK citizens. Other than that, you only get added if you apply to come here legally, and then go through a process of naturalization.

All those entering the UK illegally, should be deported with no appeal. Use the id system to grant the right to come here, and update it at the port when someone arrives.

And if someone doesn't check out at a port before their right to remain is over, pick em up and deport them.

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[quote name='leicestersq' timestamp='1329830143' post='3267172']


And if someone doesn't check out at a port before their right to remain is over, pick em up and deport them.
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We need a whole new army of public sector workers for this....yes lets..

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[quote name='JustYield' timestamp='1329821263' post='3267067']
What's the process for those who arrive illegally to subsequently settle in the UK?
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Unless they marry a UK or EU citizen, just one. ILR under Long Residence rule allows those who arrived illegally and managed to avoid being caught for 14 years to apply for settlement. Those with criminal record are normally refused. Of course, there is always a magic spell called "Human Rights", but it will get much tougher as the legal aid will no longer be granted for immigration.

Keeping a low profile for 14 years is pretty tough as a single encounter with authorities may lead to a criminal record.

The number of illegal entrants is extremely low, immigrants usually come as tourists or students and then illegally STAY.

For those who come or stay illegally and hope to settle the first thing to do is "lose" one's passport as there's no way to deport someone whose origin is unknown. As every single entrant is now getting their fingerprints scanned, this will only work for those who entered 5 or more years ago. If, despite the "lost" paperwork, the details are found in the database, the next stage is to appeal to human rights and file for asylum.

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[quote name='GinAndPlatonic' timestamp='1329830929' post='3267183']
We need a whole new army of public sector workers for this....yes lets..
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If you have a citizens id database, you don't. Such a database will instantly recognise someone who shouldn't be in the UK. Sooner or later you will come into contact with it as an illegal if the state use it everywhere. As soon as you are caught, you can be sent home.

You barely need border guards at all.

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[quote name='leicestersq' timestamp='1329833533' post='3267226']
If you have a citizens id database, you don't. Such a database will instantly recognise someone who shouldn't be in the UK. Sooner or later you will come into contact with it as an illegal if the state use it everywhere. As soon as you are caught, you can be sent home.

You barely need border guards at all.
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We havent got enough centres to place illegals in as it is....they already come into contact with UKBA and often through raids on restuarants etc etc.....they are released virtually straight away, even if found to be illegal as there is nowhere to hold them...so what makes you think this would change without more massive public mony and taking on a whole new army of public sector workers..

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You all missed the point. The article doesn't talk about the issue of immigration, it talks about the need for even more security theatre to protect us from them terrarists. There was no suggestion that the numbers of illegal immigrants was a problem, as that's non-PC, but instead, it said there was a need to encourage us to drop our shorts and bend over for a cavity search every time we want to visit Europe.

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[quote name='Big Orange' timestamp='1329828144' post='3267141']
Yeah, only a tiny minority amongst half a million people will have criminal tendencies, <_<
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wrong. it's not a tiny minority. (and even if the numbers are small, each murder/rape/mugging is an unnecessary crime against the citizens of this country) could only find [url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/16/nmigrant316.xml"]this link at short notice[/url] but reports from poland/romania law enforcement is that crime is down noticeably in their countries as a lot of undesirables have heard the siren song of the UK.....

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[quote name='wherebee' timestamp='1329860147' post='3267567']
wrong. it's not a tiny minority. (and even if the numbers are small, each murder/rape/mugging is an unnecessary crime against the citizens of this country) could only find [url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/16/nmigrant316.xml"]this link at short notice[/url] but reports from poland/romania law enforcement is that crime is down noticeably in their countries as a lot of undesirables have heard the siren song of the UK.....
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Yes, but what sort of crime is it? I can see why translation facilities would be strained, but the impression I get of Polish immigrant crime in general is domestic violence, neighbour disputes, unlicensed cars, and general petty/nuisance crime, but from my perspective the majority of Polish people don't seem more inclined to criminal acts than the rest of the populace, with Romani Gypsies by far more inclined to career criminality and unfairly barging in on [i]Big Issue[/i] selling. And nasty psychos can come from anywhere and everywhere (that Newport ex-Army guy who raped and murdered that heavily pregnant girl).

A symptom of French authorities shunting its immigrants onto us is a minority of African immigrants speaking a French dialect. :lol:

Also Zanu Bob's anecdote about dubious immigrants doing vast amounts of very menial, rubbish work matches up with my perceptions - in a Bristol supermarket car park I saw South Asian looking guys doing manual car washing, when a Dominos Pizza place opened at Keynsham they had non-local people standing about with billboards, and a local curry house I walk/drive past on almost daily basis [url=http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Illegal-immigrants-working-Indian-takeaway-Hanham/story-14455580-detail/story.html]had been employing illegals[/url]. Edited by Big Orange

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[quote name='Big Orange' timestamp='1329999175' post='3268797']
Also Zanu Bob's anecdote about dubious immigrants doing vast amounts of very menial, rubbish work matches up with my perceptions - in a Bristol supermarket car park I saw South Asian looking guys doing manual car washing, when a Dominos Pizza place opened at Keynsham they had non-local people standing about with billboards, and a local curry house I walk/drive past on almost daily basis [url=http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Illegal-immigrants-working-Indian-takeaway-Hanham/story-14455580-detail/story.html]had been employing illegals[/url].
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This has had quite an interesting consequences in our area, namely, that the curry houses have now started employing young English teens to work the phones and be on the counter at the weekend because the recently-arrived cooks etc cannot speak English well enough to take orders correctly.

And to be honest, considering I live in an area where some [i]rather testing things[/i] have happened recently vis a vis race and crime, I thought this was a rather smart move on the part of the curry kings. :D

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Sure any squaddie reading this in deepest Helmand must be wondering what the hell he's out there for.
Aren't they supposed to be "protecting us"?

Whisper whisper,, pipeline and minerals,,,whisper whisper.

Watch what they do etc.

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[quote name='JustYield' timestamp='1329821263' post='3267067']
What's the process for those who arrive illegally to subsequently settle in the UK?
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They ask them their name and give em a wad of sterling and ask them not to run away into the country or they may be put in prison and will have to stay even longer until their case is heard, then they will let them out give em more money and a job( which they will keep for a fortnight until their benefit claim comes through) . Ah what a nice country we are.

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At least the authorities have got their priorities straight and caught a load of meanie [url="http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2012/02/24/nearly-1-million-in-fines-handed-down-for-illegal-fishing/"]fishermen stealing fish[/url] (from the sea). :lol:

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