_w_ Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 IMO people need to do more research on the correlations between the largest stock market crashes, full moons and solar eclipses. http://www.wallstreetbear.com/board/view.php?topic=82296&post=291705 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 For those interested. Tomorrows important times (london time) include: 8.30 uk bus investment Ah yes, I certainly wouldn't want to miss the important update on how many buses the country is investing in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deckard Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Fiscal integration and reforms in the periphary countires to improve their economies would be nice. Sure, PIIGS will fly But the first step would be a bigger bail out fund and to sure up the banks Already ruled out by German opposition and constitutional court, I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleverBear Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Ah yes, I certainly wouldn't want to miss the important update on how many buses the country is investing in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleverBear Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Sure, PIIGS will fly Already ruled out by German opposition and constitutional court, I'm afraid. Hehe, yeh you could be right. I just need a bounce in the next few days, so any speculation that something could be happening is good for me and then I will sell out and take what I hope to be profits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptherebels Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 U.S. Stocks Jump as S&P 500 Gains 4.1% in Final Hour Only a rumour of a bailout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 U.S. Stocks Jump as S&P 500 Gains 4.1% in Final Hour Only a rumour of a bailout? Printy printy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleverBear Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 U.S. Stocks Jump as S&P 500 Gains 4.1% in Final Hour Only a rumour of a bailout? The market is swinging alot on sentiment at the moment. Up and down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog21 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 It's all computer generated It's fixed They are robbing us with every transaction, every peak and trough... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nohpc Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 This crash is just a (very) healthy correction in the bull Market to shake out the weak hands. Either the world as we know it has to change (good thing but not what TPTB want) or they will print on a scale that cannot yet even be imagined Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone baby gone Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 It's all computer generated It's fixed They are robbing us with every transaction, every peak and trough... Give that man a ciiiii-gar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia O'Keeffe Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 markets more volatile when they are in declines shocker, who knew, its only been happening a few hundred years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beccles Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Breaking News ITALIAN GOVERNMENT BOND RATINGS CUT 3 NOTCHES BY MOODY'S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_w_ Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 U.S. Stocks Jump as S&P 500 Gains 4.1% in Final Hour Only a rumour of a bailout? Sometimes the market runs out of sellers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleverBear Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 It always amuses me how these rating agencies have any influence on traders mindsets. They are incopetent, politically motivated and their rating cuts merely underline what the markets already know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia O'Keeffe Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) Sometimes the market runs out of sellers. when it is very bearish and everyone expects it to go down and would therefore have positioned themselves accordingly, ie sold, ie run out of sellers Hence why markets go up when everyone expects them to go down is bearish and down when everyone expects them to go up, is bullish. Simple logic/physics as to why the majority is always wrong, they have to be but very few ever learn the logic behind the markets and go with emotion instead nearly always ending up on the wrong side of the equation and you are still liable to get spanked even if you follow the logic correctly because trends can be shockingly strong until that point of exhaustion of buyers/sellers Edited October 4, 2011 by Tamara De Lempicka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aa3 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Graham's philosophy was to buy stocks that were undervalued so it is definitely a long terms approach, not speculation. His main assessment was that the market would go through phases in which it would buy at any price (the time to sell) or sell at any price (during phases of extreme fear, the time to buy). He used to make very thorough assessments of companies' values by analysing their books to death, something that is impossible today (Enron accounting) so he had a fair idea of companies' intrinsic values. I deal a lot with options for hedging and speculation but unfortunately I still have a lot to learn. IIUC the VIX is derived from the at the money - near month option premiums, so it's a supply - demand driven measure. Thats my problem with stocks right now. A lot of big name companies appear to be attractive buys. But we've seen a number of companies come out years later and say, actually we accidently overreported our profits for years. Like these banks reporting big profits, then weeks later needing a bailout, and investors lose terrible amounts of money. I am back to 'private capitalism'. I only will consider investing in things that I have a controlling interest in, or with friends that I trust. I don't think our society today has the integrity to practice large scale public capitalism. Where you can trust your money and ownership to other people to manage it in your best interests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr 0.01% Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 America up, Italy down. Far East down a bit. Another turbulent, but not black, day on teh footseh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyMe Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Thats my problem with stocks right now. A lot of big name companies appear to be attractive buys. But we've seen a number of companies come out years later and say, actually we accidently overreported our profits for years. Like these banks reporting big profits, then weeks later needing a bailout, and investors lose terrible amounts of money. I am back to 'private capitalism'. I only will consider investing in things that I have a controlling interest in, or with friends that I trust. I don't think our society today has the integrity to practice large scale public capitalism. Where you can trust your money and ownership to other people to manage it in your best interests. That is the way I feeel about the system. I have no doubt that the success of the banksters in achieving their goal of getting other people to pay for their extortion has only encouraged the rest fo the market to participate in fleecing the flock (as can be seen from executive pay). A few short years of doing so guarantees a secure returement with almost no chance of being caught out and brought to book. Moral hazard - something that the politicos and their central bank sidekicks talk of but understand or care little about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Up 2.5% today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.hpc Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 No-one wants to talk about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sympatex Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 3.5% now, what did it fall yesterday, 3.3? so is that a break even for the 2 days, except the individuals onlyme points at make a few hundred million out of the turmoil?! i dont think my S&S ISA is enjoying this at all! my pacific tracker minus Japan died on its ****! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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