LiveinHope Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 23 minutes ago, spyguy said: Crossing threads, this is why the tax system is so bad. It enocruages people to drop out of the work place pretty muhc, in their 20s and 30s. They then try and strech it out for 10-15 years, and end up looking for a job at 35/40+ wiht *NO* experience. I mean, WTF, thats a 40 YO with the work experience of a 17 YO FFS! yep, the clever ones who know that University is not for them will now go straight to work from school, as in the 70's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 1 minute ago, LiveinHope said: yep, the clever ones who know that University is not for them will now go straight to work from school, as in the 70's I finished Uni in 92. I needed the educaiton to get my foot in the door of the job I still do. Of my town cohort, rather than degree lot, about 30% went to Uni. Looking back 20 odd years, it was a waste of time and money for 60% - you really dont want to bother with a non vocational arts/hum degree. It makes you pretty unemployable. You also need to be be prepared to move where the job is. A lot dont. These days, there are about twice as many. The increase in numbers is down to nonovcational degrees. And they run up ~50k of student loans - not debt, but an extra skim of tax if/when they start working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Its also very painful listein to an almost 30 year old saying 'I dont know what to do with my life' Fxksake! You are are ~40% in FFS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveinHope Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, spyguy said: I finished Uni in 92. I needed the educaiton to get my foot in the door of the job I still do. Of my town cohort, rather than degree lot, about 30% went to Uni. Looking back 20 odd years, it was a waste of time and money for 60% - you really dont want to bother with a non vocational arts/hum degree. It makes you pretty unemployable. You also need to be be prepared to move where the job is. A lot dont. These days, there are about twice as many. The increase in numbers is down to nonovcational degrees. And they run up ~50k of student loans - not debt, but an extra skim of tax if/when they start working. I'm a research scientist. I left academia and went freelance because the tertiary sector in the UK is bust IMO because of government meddling in the 90's. I left because i couldn't tolerate a system that lied to young folk any more, and because the system was therefore a waste of my life. I planned the exit over 3 years and changed the way I do my research, but not the subject, and so leaving has not had any detrimental effect on my research, which in fact is enhanced, although it has affected my salary. No regrets so far.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 1 minute ago, LiveinHope said: I'm a research scientist. I left academia and went freelance because the tertiary sector in the UK is bust IMO because of government meddling in the 90's. I left because i couldn't tolerate a system that lied to young folk any more, and because the system was therefore a waste of my life. I planned the exit over 3 years and changed the way I do my research, but not the subject, and so leaving has not had any detrimental effect on my research, which in fact is enhanced, although it has affected my salary. No regrets so far.. I was asked if I was interestedin staying and doing a Phd. Id had enough of academia by then. Only the really exceptional should do Phds (bar research scientists, where is an apprenticeship) straight after a degree/masters. You just dont have enough practical knowledge to come up with something novel and interesting and useful. Plus youd be too beholden to the Head of where you are studying, resuting in that wierd feudal setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDavola Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 14 minutes ago, spyguy said: it was a waste of time and money for 60% - you really dont want to bother with a non vocational arts/hum degree. It makes you pretty unemployable. You also need to be be prepared to move where the job is. A lot dont. I'd argue that in terms of employ-ability the wrong degree these days might put you in a worse place than you were before you started, thanks to the special snowflake SJW attitudes in the universities. You'll get lots of people graduating with no actual marketable skills combined with arrogance and entitlement because they have a degree. I'd much rather employ a smart hard working 18 year old than a 22 year old with a useless degree and an attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveinHope Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, spyguy said: I was asked if I was interestedin staying and doing a Phd. Id had enough of academia by then. Only the really exceptional should do Phds (bar research scientists, where is an apprenticeship) straight after a degree/masters. You just dont have enough practical knowledge to come up with something novel and interesting and useful. Plus youd be too beholden to the Head of where you are studying, resuting in that wierd feudal setup. A PhD is just a training on how to do research, an apprenticeship, as you say. Of course, nowadays, A PhD student is expected to publish papers from their PhD (WTF ?), and if you don't, your CV will be at a disadvantage. A Crazy expectation of most students IMO (except for exceptional candidates), and it has had a knock on effect on the quality of many published research papers. The fact that many PhD students (unbeknown to them) are no more than glorified technicians is another matter. A PhD should not be conducted at the place you were an undergraduate A Post Doc should not be conducted at the institution where you did your PhD Unless it is so specialist that it precludes movement, for example, a graduate of Manchester wanting to conduct a PhD on Graphene. Good students realise all the above or have supervisors who help them to realise it. Poorer students stay put because they like the University's location and they become permanent post-docs until they wake up in their mid -30s and find they are useless.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail the Tripod Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, spyguy said: I was asked if I was interestedin staying and doing a Phd. Id had enough of academia by then. Only the really exceptional should do Phds (bar research scientists, where is an apprenticeship) straight after a degree/masters. You just dont have enough practical knowledge to come up with something novel and interesting and useful. Plus youd be too beholden to the Head of where you are studying, resuting in that wierd feudal setup. Experimental phonetics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDavola Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Oh and the people I know who have PhD's or are studying for them tend to be rather arrogant lefty types, who get even more arrogant and think they're better than everyone once they can call themselves 'Dr'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 5 hours ago, JoeDavola said: I'd argue that in terms of employ-ability the wrong degree these days might put you in a worse place than you were before you started, thanks to the special snowflake SJW attitudes in the universities. You'll get lots of people graduating with no actual marketable skills combined with arrogance and entitlement because they have a degree. I'd much rather employ a smart hard working 18 year old than a 22 year old with a useless degree and an attitude. There's no argument,. there's some research on it. A bloke with an arts/humanities degree will earn less than someone who left schcool at 16. And these stats will be for someone who graduated ~40 odd years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 5 hours ago, Hail the Tripod said: Experimental phonetics? Fcka! Nah, it was software driven healthcare medicine. The Uni wanted a robotic surgeon. My Masters was automating some diagnostic stuff. It would have put a few hundred people out of job. They weren;'t ; the software was 'filed' for review - by the people it would have put out of job. My argument/reasons for saying No was that the robot stuff was blue sky, which is not a problem. But there was so much low hanging fruit in the NHS it would make sense to go after that. The word 'sense' is a banned word inthe NHS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 5 hours ago, JoeDavola said: Oh and the people I know who have PhD's or are studying for them tend to be rather arrogant lefty types, who get even more arrogant and think they're better than everyone once they can call themselves 'Dr'. Unless its medical, or some proper subject i.e. science or Maths, I dont recoognise Phds. Everyone Ive met with a Phd outside the above have being fckign idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The XYY Man Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 11 hours ago, spyguy said: No, she was 17. There was a todo about. The film might have been released in 71 but it would have been filmed earlier. As far as comparable pon goes, Im not sure Id have left the bedroom if I was a 16 yo today. I guess Id emerge sometime in my 30s with really pasty skin and an over developed right arm. Wierd thing is that, growing up, Jenny Augetter was always a lot older than me. Now, looking back at her younger days, she really had a hot, blow up doll quality about her. You get see why she got the parts inthe 70s - Weve a hot yong actress and shes OK about dropping her kit off for any reason. Dust down the casting couch ...  See your point about release date versus actual filming dates - No wonder you don't see it on the TV any more. I can indeed see why she got the parts in the 70s - and why Helen Mirren chose to copy her successful formula...!   XYY                                                         The dog's kennel is not the place to keep a sausage - Danish proverb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, The XYY Man said: See your point about release date versus actual filming dates - No wonder you don't see it on the TV any more. I can indeed see why she got the parts in the 70s - and why Helen Mirren chose to copy her successful formula...!   XYY                                                           The dog's kennel is not the place to keep a sausage - Danish proverb  Followedby Greta Scahhi, Francesca Barber, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The XYY Man Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 25 minutes ago, spyguy said: Followedby Greta Scahhi, Francesca Barber, etc. Right - that's me off to bed with a microwaved melon and a tin of swarfega...!  XYY                                                         The dog's kennel is not the place to keep a sausage - Danish proverb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahoo Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 On 2/22/2017 at 8:28 AM, spyguy said: No, she was 17. There was a todo about. The film might have been released in 71 but it would have been filmed earlier. As far as comparable pon goes, Im not sure Id have left the bedroom if I was a 16 yo today. I guess Id emerge sometime in my 30s with really pasty skin and an over developed right arm. Wierd thing is that, growing up, Jenny Augetter was always a lot older than me. Now, looking back at her younger days, she really had a hot, blow up doll quality about her. You get see why she got the parts inthe 70s - Weve a hot yong actress and shes OK about dropping her kit off for any reason. Dust down the casting couch ... Â Didn't she stop a terrible train crash with a big red pair of mothers bloomers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 12 minutes ago, Wahoo said: Didn't she stop a terrible train crash with a big red pair of mothers bloomers? She did. Once the driver saw her pants, he slowed down to get a better look at her minge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 NEVER... mention big pants in any connection with Jenny Agutter ever again. We will hunt you down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDavola Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Got text from BPD ex of several years back a couple of days ago. Ran into her again last summer, exchanged a few emails and then some texting but she never went as far as meeting up, which to be fair was a good thing. But she's now doing this thing where she'll randomly text me something every 3 months or so, the start of a convo, I reply, and then she just doesn't reply any more until a few months later. Funny thing is that a mate of mine got exactly the same thing from his BPD ex. It's like you're being 'pinged' every couple of months to see if she can still get a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, JoeDavola said: Got text from BPD ex of several years back a couple of days ago. Ran into her again last summer, exchanged a few emails and then some texting but she never went as far as meeting up, which to be fair was a good thing. But she's now doing this thing where she'll randomly text me something every 3 months or so, the start of a convo, I reply, and then she just doesn't reply any more until a few months later. Funny thing is that a mate of mine got exactly the same thing from his BPD ex. It's like you're being 'pinged' every couple of months to see if she can still get a response. Yes, that is what they do. They just want to see if they still have you on the hook just in case they need to bail out of their current relationship. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 The Daily Mail has a story today about a woman who wants something called 'catfishing' - using a fake photo on a dating profile - to be made illegal. She apparently dated a man for 14 months before realising that the photo on his profile was of a Bollywood actor or something. I didn't read the article but it sounded so ridiculous. According to the comments though she had gone on loads of dates with this bloke over 14 months before learning that he was married, has kids and, importantly, the photos on his profile were not his. It just sounds far too barking mad for me - sounds like a woman taken for a, ahem, ride by a bloke and now, looking very stupid, instead of realising her mistake, learning from it and moving on, she has decided to let the entire nation know how stupid she is. What does that say about her personality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 12 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said: The Daily Mail has a story today about a woman who wants something called 'catfishing' - using a fake photo on a dating profile - to be made illegal. Isn't this more frequently a trick done by women? Fat women will often post very old pictures or pictures showing a completely false image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 29 minutes ago, The Masked Tulip said: The Daily Mail has a story today about a woman who wants something called 'catfishing' - using a fake photo on a dating profile - to be made illegal. She apparently dated a man for 14 months before realising that the photo on his profile was of a Bollywood actor or something. I didn't read the article but it sounded so ridiculous. According to the comments though she had gone on loads of dates with this bloke over 14 months before learning that he was married, has kids and, importantly, the photos on his profile were not his. It just sounds far too barking mad for me - sounds like a woman taken for a, ahem, ride by a bloke and now, looking very stupid, instead of realising her mistake, learning from it and moving on, she has decided to let the entire nation know how stupid she is. What does that say about her personality? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4252104/Heartbroken-woman-wants-catfishing-illegal.html The police must have been incredulous when she called them up, basically it boils down to: "I've been shagging a bloke and he told me he was single but he's actually married. Arrest him at once!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Just now, Frank Hovis said: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4252104/Heartbroken-woman-wants-catfishing-illegal.html The police must have been incredulous when she called them up, basically it boils down to: "I've been shagging a bloke and he told me he was single but he's actually married. Arrest him at once!" I am going to nick that and post it on the DM comments - may I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 minute ago, The Masked Tulip said: I am going to nick that and post it on the DM comments - may I? Please do TMT, glad you liked it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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